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Posted: 14 Feb 2009 at 10:20am

How low are we talking? The only time I drop in FPS is when I'm in Wintergrasp and I drop to about 35FPS. This is running Q9450 OC to 3.2 and a single Radeon 4870 running on a 22in at 1680X1050.

Is your vert sync turned off?

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Posted: 14 Feb 2009 at 1:18pm

the lowest I have seen so far and there were not many people there was in Dalaral FPS dropped to around 32

which with a system having a I7 OCed to 3.5g 6 g of 1600 ddr3 ram and GTX295 vid card is strange

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 12:20am

Its because blizzard has done the worst job optimizing there graphics and your card is SLI.. For wow you would of been better off with a single gtx 285..

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 11:30am

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Its because blizzard has done the worst job optimizing there graphics

This is pretty much 100% correct; when the new expansion came out, it's like WoW's min. requirements went a lot higher for a tiny increase. I can easily tell because I get ~100fps to 200+ when there's no one around in Ironforge on my little Dell laptop but I've never had more than 45fps in Dalaran and raids are like 25-45fps when I would always be around 50 in BT/Sunwell(it pretty much feels like I'm running fraps 24/7).

This issue pops up every 5-10sec on Technical Support forums with subscribers who have computers that can play WoW without breaking a sweat but unfortunately Blizzard gives people the most retarded "fixes" instead of admitting that it's their fault. Like ever since the new expansion came out, the only way I can *try* to get as much FPS as before is to turn off shadows and play with 24x/24x/1x AA =/

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 11:41am

well first off I cant believe anyone saying ditch the GTX 295 and get a 285 must be nice to have that kind of cash flo to go well not happy with this will just try another one , I just Blew my Tax return on this system on this rig ans with al the feedback Im getting I might as well send it back

got the wrong vid card

need to lower resolution

turn off shadows

try lower effects settings

my lands whats the point in spending right at 3k on a gaming rig if you have to move all setting to lowest to get decent gameplay seriously, might as well ditch it and go with a WallMart chepo and get the same results

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 2:17pm

Htoler its not your computer. Its the terrible coding from blizzard. Want proof? Go play crysis, will run it like a champ.

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 2:39pm

Run any other game game than poorly coded WoW, then see the results, they should kick ass!

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 4:04pm

Htoler, perhaps you should test another MMORPG. Most of them have a free trial period so you can check it out and see what happens. If you still have FPS issues, then it may be the computer, but if FPS is decent on them, it may be WOW.

Then again, I be just blowing smoke from my ...

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 4:21pm

Htoler,

Try some other games and see if you are experiencing some of the same issues. It could be quite possible you have a bad video card. But most likely I doubt it. That's crazy that you are not getting decent FPS though.

When I'm running around in Dalarn I get around 60-80 and in the old cities I get 150+FPS.

I was thinking of switching my 4870 for a GTX 285 cause It's hard to play in Wintergrasp with only 20-25FPS.....but if you are having problems with a GTX 295 I'm a bit leery now...

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 5:32pm

well I know that for anyone to be getting anything over 60FPS there was a graphics setting you had to change WOW caps at 60 FPS I can try another game ans see what happens will post will see if EQII still offers a trial version

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 5:36pm

Give us a call on Tuesday (1-866-817-8676) or send us a message (http://www.digitalstormonline.com/sendmessage.asp) and we will do our best to try to iron-out this issue for you, even if it is with the game itself.

For now, I would recommend trying another game to check if this is only due to the game. Also, try installing NVIDIA's latest BETA driver (http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/182.05/182.05_geforce_winvista_32bit_english_beta.exe) this is for Vista.

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 6:28pm

Originally posted by Alex

will those drivers work with my system having Vista 64 ??

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 9:38pm

well I went out and bought Pc Gammer and tried 2 demos off of it and neither will work at all so tried downloading Crysis geme same thing.

I have pretty much had it with this computer the only positive thing goind for this think is it lookd good

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 11:16pm

Turn Vertical Sync off in WoW options and it will let you go above 60FPS.....let me know how that works out for you and see if you are still getting low FPS...

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Posted: 15 Feb 2009 at 11:37pm

Originally posted by Sneakerz

Turn Vertical Sync off in WoW options and it will let you go above 60FPS.....let me know how that works out for you and see if you are still getting low FPS...

turning that off is not gonna fix anything it just reads the FPS differently.

I have lowered resolution down to 1360 x 768 and lowered all other settings and only gained 3 or 4 FPS in Dalaran and other highle populated areas

I bought this system so I would not have to turn everything down I want to be able to enjoy the game at the higher settings and I definatel not going to set them lower than I had them on my Dell that would make zero sense and I will try other games but the game i play is WOW

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 12:26am

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Originally posted by Sneakerz

Turn Vertical Sync off in WoW options and it will let you go above 60FPS.....let me know how that works out for you and see if you are still getting low FPS...

turning that off is not gonna fix anything it just reads the FPS differently.

I have lowered resolution down to 1360 x 768 and lowered all other settings and only gained 3 or 4 FPS in Dalaran and other highle populated areas

Apparently your not understanding that its not your system, its WOW thats doing it to your rig. Your rig is beast. Also , Turning off Vsync WILL give you more frames, unless you have a crappy old monitor.

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 1:33am

then why do so many WOW players say they have zero isshies with FPS dropping off in Dalaran and Wintergrasp??

and turming off vsync may show me to be getting over 100 plus FPS but what good is that if in populated areas they drop to 50-60 and still get all sluggish and choppy ?

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 1:49am

For gods sake, it's spelled issues (not isshues). I keep seeing this in all of your posts and it makes me want to slam my face into a brick wall.

And if you have complaints about your new system/the game you're playing, can you limit it to one thread? By my count you've started four threads about your computer, and posted on a forum sticky. We all feel your pain but keep it within reason please.

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 2:24am

if not everyone is a spelling expert so fricking what go slam your face see what anyone cares if I chose to start 20 post on somthing whats it to you I doubt anyone is forcing you to read any of them if you qwn this forum then by all means BAN ME ..

my supposed to be ubber computer is not even close to what I expected it to be am I a bit peved about that you bet I am

right close to 3k and it is no better than the computer it is replacing

DS came highly reccommended and the rep I talked to on the phone tol me this system would Rolf Stomp WOW yet it seams the other way around.

you dont like what I post then just dont read anthing with my name on it problem for you solved

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 3:32am

ok this is coming from a complete and utter newb, maybe its your internet connection, I may be completely wrong on this one though so please do not take this the wrong way. Most people would love to help you on here. But I have seen a lot of people have their MMOs crashing to a halt in populated areas for internet connections. Again if I am completely off the mark please correct me.

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 4:44am

Nah Samael, I totaly agree. MMOs are online affairs and if your connection blows, so will your gaming; your graphics card can't render what it doesn't even know is there yet. And Htoler, I understand you spent $3k on your computer and it's not doing what you wanted it to, but for the love of gawd stop throwing blame around like it's candy. Everyone keeps telling you that WoW and the drivers for your 295 are busted and not matured yet...but since you haven't even talked to DSO yet you really don't know what's going on. Maybe UPS dropped your computer on it's head, maybe you have a defective video card, maybe your internet blows, maybe your RAM/Video card aren't fully seated...who knows.

Also a computer can only play a game as well as the game was designed to run; just because you load the 1982 gameboy version of tetris onto a $5000 dollar computer doesn't mean you're gonna get more than sucky green boxes at 120x120 resolution and mono-speaker sound. WoW is not currently designed for epic FPS and on my ATI X1600 in an AMD Athlon x2 with a massive 2gigs of ram...the FPS are 20-40 and it's still rather smooth and something I once gloated about. My old system is the type of computer WoW is designed to utilize because it's what gets them the most players. If WoW changed thier program to cater to high end computers, they'd likely F over the lowbies WITH $750 computers and loose their real money-base. MMOs are always going to have wierd coding because of the range of graphic levels they have to caiter too. But that's just my opinion.

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 4:48am

Interner connection is always a possibility but I dont think it is in my case latency is normall below 200 once in awhile it will be over 300 I have cable internet connection 10k I think it is

I imagine it is just going to turn out to be issues with the Vid card being so newly out and updated drivers will prolly address the problem

Thank you all for trying to help me out its just frustrating

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 4:51am

If there's nothing seriously wrong with your computer I'm sure your game play will improve after WoW and Nvidia work out the issues and you'll be playing like a champ. Good luck to ya.

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 4:56am

and so far as it goes I dont recall auctually Blaming anyone maybe it comes accross as that I have asked about if many things might be posibilities.

am I dissappointed in the system hell yes I am like I said I talke to a rep and he said I would not have any issues with WOW that this system would ROLF stomp WOW I dont know what the problem is if I did it would have been fixed already

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 5:04am

It wasn't really that you were blaming any of us, it's that you were blaming DSO. If your comp runs crysis smoothly then that's something most WoW players can't even do on the lowest settings. I't just that I think you offended the forums when you called out DSO when it's quite probable the problem is between the 295 and WoW. But if a DSO employee told you something and the comp doesn't deliver I can see how it looks and I'd be upset too. Then again if I wasn't aware of specific issues with WoW and new vid cards, I'd prolly tell you the same thing they did cause WoW is a low demanding game and the 295 is top of the line so naturally it should tear WoW up...but driver maturity and WoW settings are mucking it up. Best of luck to you on the resolution to all this frustration.

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 8:25am

ok after spending the last couple hours posting on the WOW forums and trying the ideals they had with no improvements many are saying that the ones claiming to be getting a steady 60 FPS no matter what must be running very high end systems that prolly ran them between 5 to 10 k or they are just talking crap about the FPS they are getting

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 12:04pm

Originally posted by Htoler

ok after spending the last couple hours posting on the WOW forums and trying the ideals they had with no improvements many are saying that the ones claiming to be getting a steady 60 FPS no matter what must be running very high end systems that prolly ran them between 5 to 10 k or they are just talking crap about the FPS they are getting

I just read this thread and the one you started in tech assist section.

It's been made apparent that your problem is not in the overall quality of your system. I haven't seen your specs, but if you're running a new DS rig with a 295, your system is high-end, especially for WOW.

If you had spent another $5K you'd still be having the same problems.

Like others have said several times, it sounds like the 295 (because of the dual core?) has problems with WOW.

I play EQ2, a relatively new player. In anticipation of getting my new rig I did some reading in the game forums. People are having disappointing results with screaming systems not giving them expected results.

Turns out EQ2 doesn't support SLI, or dual-core CPUs.

I think they recently fixed the CPU problem, but you see my point.

Could be too there is a problem with your rig. Calling DS tomorrow will confirm that for you.

Also, I'm not an English nazi, but as a regular on several forums, I have to comment that your poor spelling and punctuation make your posts difficult to read. I say this meaning the best intentions because your purpose here to ask assistance and the easier it is to read/comprehend your posts, the more people will be inclined to respond, or even bother to read them at all.

I know it's frustrating and disappointing. I had two Dell XPS ordered and returned before I had enough and got a refund. Then I found DS, and in the end I got lucky because I'll end end up with a higher quality PC, and superior customer service.

So hang in there, call DS tomorrow and see what they can do. They can't fix WOW coding, but they should be able to come up with a good solution.

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we are all pulling for you, and I know how frustrating it can be really to pay $3k on a machine and things go wrong. Just one more day and call DS and they will take care of you.

Other than that, what I do not get is if the customer specifically asked to be able to run WoW, and WoW is known for its SLI issues, why not offer the guy 285s instead of 295s?

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 2:06pm

That`s the part that puzzles me but will not be able to get an answer about that till tomorrow .

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 2:15pm

Originally posted by lgm25c

[QUOTE=Htoler]ok after spending the last couple hours posting on the WOW forums and trying the ideals they had with no improvements many are saying that the ones claiming to be getting a steady 60 FPS no matter what must be running very high end systems that prolly ran them between 5 to 10 k or they are just talking crap about the FPS they are getting

I just read this thread and the one you started in tech assist section.

If you had spent another $5K you'd still be having the same problems.

Like others have said several times, it sounds like the 295 (because of the dual core?) has problems with WOW.

if was just the fact of the 295 card being duel then why is it that disabling SLI does not fix the issue ?

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 9:33pm

I know how frustrating it can be Htoler when you spend alot of money on something and it doesn't perform as well as you expect it to.

You have a killer system though, I would not blame your system at all. It has to do with WoW. The coding for wow needs to mature for the new Dual core graphics cards.

People with the 4870X2 have been having some of the same issues. Until Nvidia updates their drivers it might not change.

As far as getting 100FPS and then dropping to 50-60 in populated areas, that's actually very good. Also don't forget, you can have the best graphics card on the market, but WoW is built to use more CPU than GPU. And currently, WoW is designed to use 2 cores not 4. So even a Duo Core 8600 OC to 4.0 will run better than a brand new I7 Quad Core 3.2 extreme.

It sucks, but until they optimize WoW to use more cores, Duo Core is the best gaming processor out right now. There are a few games that utilize 4 cores, but not very many.

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 10:25pm

Here is a scary thought regarding WOW. I have a Dell Dimension 3000 with 256mb ram and no graphics card. I did a 2 week trial of WOW about 2 years ago and was able to run the game perfectly. While the expansions released since then require a bit more to run them, I suspect that even after upgrading my ram to 2gb I would still be able to run WOW.

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Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 11:51pm

would not surprise me a bit if you could. I went out and bought a few games today UT III , Call of Duty 5 . and full version of Crysis, so far I Have played Call of Duty 5 and it seams on a glitch ot 2 but figure that was mor connection installing Crysis now will see how it does

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