The Great Debate, Sync Ram 1:1?

its all very simple:

for example if someby has a fsb of 1066MHz
( 266 x 4 = 1066 MT/s, each transfer is 64 bits for a total of 8,533 MB/s transfer rate)

So you want your memory to match the 8,533 MB/s transfer rate otherwise what ever memory speed you have over that will be bottleneck by the fsb's 8,533 MB/s transfer rate.

Now lets say that you have paired your RAM (2 x 533MHz) ), your memory controller is now able to talk to the RAM transferring up to 8,533 MB/s. Notice that this matches a 1066 FSB, so here the system is balanced, neither the FSB nor the RAM speed is a bottleneck for the data flow between the processor and the RAM. If you put in faster RAM, you can't see a gain in the memory bandwidth you can use, since the FSB becomes a bottleneck.

Now on top of all that, all the q9550s I have seen on this forum Alex, all have come out with OC speed of 3.6Ghz tops.

thats with systems that had:

q9550

liquid cooling

1333MHz ram or 1600Mhz ram.

For people that are on a budget or people that don't know how to OC themselves, does the latency really come out to be worth $210 dollars?


But its real good of you guys to put the benchmarks out, its great to see regardless of what any of us think.



Edited by DST4ME - 12 Oct 2008 at 6:52am

can't wait to see how much of a difference latency makes in real life.

but are we OCing the processor or its all gonna be stock fsb?

I also like to say again, my advise of matching fsb to ram is for people who

a. don't oc.

b. don't know how to oc.

c. are on a budget.

I've stated that clearly many times to venom and if you search my post you will see that anytime I advised to match the FSB to ram was because it was one or more of the above 3 situations.

Edited by DST4ME - 11 Oct 2008 at 4:59am

Excuse me, but what do you mean by have a laugh on him?

If your read Alex's post right up there he says:

From my experience, you will notice a difference, but, obviously not a huge leap (price versus performance) but, if it's within your budget and you want that extra edge, go for the faster ram.

So already I'm right.

I don't know if its a language barrier but "have a laugh on him" means, he should be laughing at me, which is not nice.


Edited by DST4ME - 11 Oct 2008 at 5:15am

I figured its a language barrier don't worry about it, you meant to say "laugh with him"

Yes well he does need to take it easy, to be honest from what I can tell, he is an easy going guy, you don't find lot of places that allow you to be so honest with customers, so he must be easy going.

He was tense because i gave him a call that same night, i told him i have high-resolution screenshots (HD quality) of said thread(s) in question, which, if im not paid a handsome amount for + given a generous discount on my rig to keep silent, will end up on BB/FTC hands.

Originally posted by DST4ME can't wait to see how much of a difference latency makes in real life. but are we OCing the processor or its all gonna be stock fsb? I also like to say again, my advise of matching fsb to ram is for people who a. don't oc. b. don't know how to oc. c. are on a budget. I've stated that clearly many times to venom and if you search my post you will see that anytime I advised to match the FSB to ram was because it was one or more of the above 3 situations.

I still don't understand why you would have someone match it if they don't know how to overclock.  Doesn't matter how many times I read it, just doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by venom I still don't understand why you would have someone match it if they don't know how to overclock.  Doesn't matter how many times I read it, just doesn't make sense.

Edited by Nomak - 11 Oct 2008 at 1:29pm

Nomak.

Edited by Nomak - 11 Oct 2008 at 3:02pm

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/77909774/m/571005387831

I dont see the use in those charts honestly, 3d mark and vantage are more for measuring the GPU and to a less extent the CPU. There are no memory performance tests.

Wheres 1800 and 2000 models?

Agreed, we are saying the same thing. I tend to split hairs.

DST4ME,

Originally posted by Alex DST4ME,   Let me ask, if you were spending $5,000 on a system, would you get 2GB of 1066MHz memory or 4GB of 2000MHz memory?   From the looks of the charts, it shows no performance difference...   Yet, I honestly seen different results first-hand on the systems we build here.   We will post some real benchmarks soon enough.   Cheers, Alex

Alex let me answer that question like this:

if I was going to purchage a system today this would be it:

here you go Ticket# 194182 --- Price: $5575 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Power Supply: 1200W Thermaltake (Triple and Quad SLI Compatible) (Toughpower Edition)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme QX9770 3.20GHz (1600MHz FSB) (12MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only)
System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz OCZ Platinum Edition
Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive 2: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 3x SLI Triple (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB) (Includes PhysX Technology)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Razer Barracuda AC-1 (Recommended)
Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU Only
Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Don't know what color yet Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Modifications: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed)
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Warranty: 5 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty (Highly Recommended)

it would be that or skulltrail with 2 x qx9770 and the rest would look like the above.

Before anybody says,"you spend that much on the qx9770 (price vs performance)", I like to say that is a matter of personal preference, I have had better experiences with the extreme chips and I don't use anything but extreme chips, so that decision is not so much performance vs cost, its more of a personal preference, if I was on a budget, it would be the q9650.

I can boost my ram to 2000 if I need it, why else would I oc my ram for?

still contemplating LC all 3 cards or not.

I can't justify the 2000MHz in this case, I can bleed that right out easily myself.


I have to agree with SunfighterLC, he didn't see no speed increase, as I never have noticed it going up in ram speed either, instead since he added 2 more GB now his PC can multitask much better.

I personally have never noticed a difference in PC performance when I moved up in ram speed, did the charts show better numbers? yes

did I notice a difference? just like SLC, no.

in very few cases higher ram was need to have a stable OC, but those are isolated and the ram was low to begin with, lol sometime I try to bleed out things that are not there

to me looking at the charts and numbers, it looks like once you go over the fsb limit, ram speed is more of a preference then anything else.

At the same time if you say you saw different results, then I know you are not lying, but is it more of a charts say there is gain but in real life it does not amount to much scenario? cause just like SLC, when I went up in ram speed, numbers were higher but my experience didn't change a bit, I mean I can't honestly say one thing was running any faster, folding took the same amount of time, encoding, raring, you name it, I checked it, you should have seem me, I was like a nut, testing every software I had on the PC to see if there was any difference.

Unless ofcourse you are saying you saw real life difference, eg., FAH folded faster, or encoding or any apps/games. then I'm really interested to find out what it was that I have missed

looking forward to seeing you guy's test.



Edited by DST4ME - 13 Oct 2008 at 2:18am

Im waiting on Venoms data, cant wait.