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Davis
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Topic: SSD Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 2:10pm |
After some thought and responses,I have decided to get a SSD for my build...With the budget in mind I can only go for the 128gb for my OS/games/apps and just a reg 7200rpm HDD for storage and such..What od you guys think?..The system would be only as good as its weakest link and that would of been my HDD..Thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated.
One other thing...Any thoughts of the Hybrid drives? |
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maxyme
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Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 2:25pm |
a ssd is a good edition but is the 128gb by intel? because only get intel ssds because they last longer and work better.
with a ssd your system will boot in 10-20 seconds so its almost like putting your computer to sleep when you turn it off. its a very good addition to your computer and it will load games really fast. i wish i could afford one but i'm probably going to get one in the future with my build. and does anyone know if DS has the new generation intel ssds yet? because if not i'd wait for them since they are faster and more reliable. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 2:33pm |
either get intel or wait and upgrade when the gen3 intel comes out, most important thing to remember about ssds is that they are not all the same, and the advertised speeds are not the most important, the 4k speeds are, Intel is great at that has the best wear and tear.
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Davis
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Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 3:38pm |
It was not by Intel,it was by Corsair...Is that a bad choice?...If so I'll just scrap the Idea and go with the reg HDD and bump up my GPU back to the 580...Maybe get a SSD down the line..
Has anyone had any experience with the SSD Hybrid drives? or have heard anything about them.. anything first hand... |
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maxyme
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Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 3:43pm |
the new intel ssds have 128gb capacity btw. and over the years the price per gigabyte will go down significantly on ssds and the speeds will go up too. intel just has the best performance and best lifespan on ssds. |
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Davis
Groupie Joined: 10 Aug 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 130 |
Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 4:43pm |
Ok,so for now I will go for a reg HDD...Thats what I am getting out of your post I think..Wait a year or 2 and then get one...Thanks bro,appreciate the info..
However would it be wise to run HDD in raid and get better performance? Maybe I dont know what I am talking about.. 1 option is having 3 drives?..What would that do? |
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maxyme
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Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 4:48pm |
well by all means if you have the money get it as all technology will get better and cheaper over time but if you can't afford it then you can't afford it...
raid is a waste of money and raid 0 (which speeds up performance) sucks because if one drive dies the other is useless. |
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Dragoonseal
DS Veteran Joined: 03 Apr 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2247 |
Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 5:28pm |
New G3 Intel SSDs are due out in literately 2 days, apparently, so definitely wait a bit to see how those turn out.
The added chance of hardware failure does not make RAID 0 suck, it's just a downside you need to be aware of. |
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Lilim
Intel Core i7 920 @4.2GHz HAF 932 - Dual SLI Nvidia GTX 480s 3x Intel X25-M G2 (80GB) SSD RAID0 |
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Davis
Groupie Joined: 10 Aug 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 130 |
Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 5:30pm |
If I dont have to spend extra $ then I would rather not..So for now I will go without the SSD and maybe pick up an Intel brand SSD down the line..Since its not a good idea to go with RAID then could someone tell me if I should be looking at the 10k rpm drives??
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Dragoonseal
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Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 5:34pm |
No, kill them with fire. VelociRaptors are terribly overpriced and have almost the same performance as a good 1TB 7200RPM HDD. Waste of money, just wait for a good priced G3 Intel SSD. |
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Lilim
Intel Core i7 920 @4.2GHz HAF 932 - Dual SLI Nvidia GTX 480s 3x Intel X25-M G2 (80GB) SSD RAID0 |
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Davis
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Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 5:53pm |
Thanks fellas,appreciate the info you have givin me...I still have a few weeks before the "fix" is made,so maybe by then the new Intel drives will make it?
But thank you for helping me nail this part of my build down! |
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maxyme
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Quote Reply Posted: 27 Feb 2011 at 6:56pm |
with the raid comment i kinda meant it sucks because there is an added chance of hardware failing plus its a waste of money
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justin.kerr
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 9:28am |
not a waste in my eyes, two smaller drivers are generally cheaper than one larger drive of equal size, and way faster.. so cheaper and faster is now a waste??
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maxyme
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 11:18am |
Well how i see it is you buy two fast drives to only get the capacity of. One slightly faster drive and the speed boost isn't that significant since a ssd on its own is fast enough. But for thouse who actually want to get as fast a speed as possible and aren't just using it to load games then yea I can see a benafit but not in his case. And its not exactly cost effective.
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justin.kerr
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 11:34am |
speed boost is significant, much better scaling than what one will gain with regular hard drives. last week I ordered two 120Gb drives for $380.00 That is about the same price as a single 160, so 80Gb more storage, significant speed gain, for about the same money? seems like a good idea to me.
even when I had 8 SSD's in RAID 0, it was just a gaming rig.
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maxyme
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 12:58pm |
Gues you have a point.
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Davis
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 7:16pm |
Ok so what should I do then? lol...Pretty much just straight gaming and a Blu-Ray movie here and there..Dont know if that makes a difference...
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maxyme
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Feb 2011 at 8:35pm |
decide yourself a ssd is a luxury though not a necessary.
if you go with an ssd games will load faster applications will open faster the computer will boot faster without an ssd games will load slower but not too slow. in gaming an ssd is nice and it also gives you extra time to say choose a class in cod and with your blu ray make sure your monitor supports the hdcp protocol (usually when it has hdmi it does) |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 12:51am |
Always keep things simple, if you don't need raid, don't get raid IMO.
SSD all the way, either get one now or wait a couple of month to get the budget for it and get it then. |
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justin.kerr
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 9:21am |
4 SSD's in RAID are less likely to fail, and cause less problems than 4 GPU's will. or your octo mom GPU setup you had for a while.
but yes a single GPU, single SSD is the best for simple, least issues, least problems type of PC.
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gametamer
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Mar 2011 at 9:59am |
Ok just to be sure the 510 series ssd's Intel announced yesterday, they are not the G3's are they because the OCZ vertex 3 have better read and write speeds from what I have seen so far.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 1:27am |
I don't get what 4 ssd raids have to do with 4 gpus? lol
of course gpus fail more often but when they fail,I don't lose data |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 1:28am |
I bet you they don't, unless all we want to compare is transfer speeds, but more importantly is the quality and reliability of the ssd, Intel is the king of that in ssds. |
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Dragoonseal
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Quote Reply Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 6:04am |
The Intel 510 series looks like something Intel just wanted to get out the door with the 6Gb/s label on them. They still use 34mn NAND (not 25mn like G3s) and they use a Marvell controller. Bleh.
Their small file speeds are slower than G2, they just have fast sequential speeds, don't bother with them. They're too expensive anyway I dunno how they expect to sell them. |
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Lilim
Intel Core i7 920 @4.2GHz HAF 932 - Dual SLI Nvidia GTX 480s 3x Intel X25-M G2 (80GB) SSD RAID0 |
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justin.kerr
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Quote Reply Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 8:48am |
thats why last week I went with G2's..
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DST4ME
DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758 |
Quote Reply Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 5:52pm |
wtf, I was not expecting that from intel, marvel controller?
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gametamer
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 5:26am |
I saw an article somewhere yesterday that the G3,s from intel wont be out till April but the way it looks I wont be ordering my pc till then so no big deal for me.
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Karn
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 12:27am |
http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/high_end_drives.html
and now passmark has the drive at the top of the list.... the drive is the P3-128. |
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Dragoonseal
DS Veteran Joined: 03 Apr 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2247 |
Quote Reply Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 8:30am |
Doesn't look like they have a very good testing methodology, the Intel SSD scores have huge variations when there should be none. Also the fact that the Corsair Performance3 SSD tops the chart and that the HDDs score very well on the test, higher than some SSDs, means the only thing they test is sequential speeds, which means about jack and sh*t.
The Performance3 SSDs have fast sequential speeds but low small file speeds, and HDDs have almost no small file speeds at all compared to SSDs, literately 50-100 times slower, so they shouldn't be scoring so well. |
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Lilim
Intel Core i7 920 @4.2GHz HAF 932 - Dual SLI Nvidia GTX 480s 3x Intel X25-M G2 (80GB) SSD RAID0 |
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justin.kerr
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 10:19am |
Corsair are just old sandforce drives if I remember correctly, just tweaked abit.
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Karn
Newbie Joined: 23 Jul 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 53 |
Quote Reply Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 2:59pm |
They have a new controller same as being used in the new fast vortex drive and the new fast crucial c400 to be coming soon soon. They have 128 meg cache i believe and they boot windows as fast as any intel drive. In the real world how much are you going to notice the 4k writes?
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Karn
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 4:06pm |
What I mean is.. if i have two identical DS computers and the only difference is that one has an intel ssd and the other another type ssd and i hit the power button on both at the same time how much difference will there be. And while i am using windows how much difference will there be and will i even notice it. Now as far as copying small files I don't know. But seriously how bad can it be really its an ssd.
Now copying large files maybe theres going to be a difference. Don't get me wrong I am not defneding corsair, crucial or anyone. My delemma is that I get conflicting information from Digital storm and from the forums. I configure a PC with the Intel, DS tells me the Corsair is going to be a much better drive for my config so I change it and then in the forums that advise is the opposite. So I need to read about ssd's and theres not a whole lot of info out about that P3-128 yet. Theres is a ton of info about the intel drives some good and some not so good. I am paying alot of money for a "new" computer and those intel drives have been around (and proven) for some time. This P3 is brand new as of 1 month ago. So there you have it ... what to do? go with what DS tells me or go with what I read in the forums? |
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Dsnewb210
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 4:06pm |
Looks like its time to wait for the g3's..
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Karn
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Quote Reply Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 9:26pm |
Nah!
The DS system is going to rock even if I didn't get an SSD! Those G3's look good and cash willin I'll pick one up later down the road. . |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 1:04am |
the difference between the two you will notice over time, and will see why we said Intel, also most of your os stuff is done at the 4k level.
Unfortunately the person you spoke at DS misunderstood you or they have bad info on the ssd. Keep in mind here you are talking to other customers that know just as much as DS sales support if not more, keep in mind any sales support number job is to sell company product, as customers we have nothing to gain by advising on parts, other then knowing we saved one more person from spending their money on the wrong part due to bad info. Honestly, if corsair was better, we would recommend that to everybody, there is a reason why all of us would choose Intel over corsair for our money, no matter what anybody else told us, once you know the full info yourself, it does not matter what others say just keep that in mind |
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