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    Posted: 02 Aug 2007 at 5:00pm
Well here's the computer specs...
So tell me...
Did I screw up the computer or do it right?
I'm trying to keep it under $1000 but be able to play the better games on it.


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  Quote Dave Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Aug 2007 at 5:11pm
well not to question you, you should check over the list once more for the stuff like a Floppy drive are you really going to need it etc and you maybe able to upgrade something else to make it better.

And may i ask what type of game you would like to play?
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  Quote Hoss Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Aug 2007 at 5:14pm
Well first of all I would actually like to play my Rome: Total War game. Now my freinds wont shut up about it...
But I usually play strategy games that need alot of graphics...
And I thought I took the floppy drive out?
Oh and question me all you like.
I have no idea what I'm doing.

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well since it is strategy games you are going to play mostly then i would say it is a pretty good machine, meaning it is not the best but it will do the job 
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You are better off with an Intel CPU. They are blowing AMD away right now in value, performance, and price.

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  Quote Hoss Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Aug 2007 at 6:37pm
Alright I found a computer.
So?
The only reason I'm more swinging towards this is because I know that I can't screw this computer up...Then there's this one.
I'm not sure...

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If you want to spend an extra $300~. This is an awsome build
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=71175

Digital Storm doesnt offer any good GPUs for the low end users and most of the websites Ive looked at doesn't have great deals either.

And to tell you the truth, you are better off at using your $1000 to buy parts and have your trustworthly buddy build it for you or build it yourself =)

There's alot of great online communities that will help you out in choosing parts, www.steampowered.com, www.gotfrag.com, just to name a few.
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SkyR,

Which GPU's should we carry to cover low end users. We would be more than happy to look into that.
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Radeon X1950XT
Geforce 7950GT

These top end DX9 cards can out perform the low end DX10 cards (Geforce 8500 & 8600) in alot of games.

Every game on the current market is still DX9, so there is no reason to buy a bad card just for DX10.

The first game to the market that will support DX10 is Crysis and I can't imagine running that game with a Geforce 8500 or 8600!

Nvidia is suppose to release their new Geforce 9 series this fourth quarter so the 8800 GTS, GTX, and Ultra will be getting a price drop soon after the release making it affordable for low end users who wants to play DX10 games at a decent FPS.
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Actually, we use to carry the 7950GT graphics card before the 8 series came into the market, and we decided we wanted only the best for our customers, no matter what budget, so we decided to go with the newer 8 series design and support for Direct X 10. Not only that, Vista drivers for the 8 series have better support than the 7 series (don't get me started about SLI in Vista with the 7 series cards).
 
ATI's current solution does not work with NVIDIA's boards. Your going to be stuck with an Intel chipset. Not only that, ATI's latest card draws too much power for the little performance it has against the powerful 8 series cards.
 
Price range wise, the 8800GTS 320MB is only $40 more than the 7950GT 512MB. Don't get confused with the lower memory size, look at the performance chart of 3D Mark (a respectable industry standard to benchmark games):
 
 
The 8800GTS 320MB outperforms it! For the extra $40, you are definitely getting a better deal. For anyone that is interested in more performance data, I grabbed the chart from Toms Hardware's Video Charts.
 
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Now the question is, you may build a machine from a friend, or by yourself, but, you won't get the pride of owning a Digital Storm machine that has been built by skilled technicians and tested over and over to ensure proper operation. Not to mention benchmark and performance tuning from gamers that know each and every tweak in the book.
 
Tie that all up with a 3 year standard warranty coverage and life-time toll free technical support from our very technicians, not a out-sourced call center and you got yourself an amazing deal.
 
Originally posted by skyR

Radeon X1950XT
Geforce 7950GT

These top end DX9 cards can out perform the low end DX10 cards (Geforce 8500 & 8600) in alot of games.

Every game on the current market is still DX9, so there is no reason to buy a bad card just for DX10.

The first game to the market that will support DX10 is Crysis and I can't imagine running that game with a Geforce 8500 or 8600!

Nvidia is suppose to release their new Geforce 9 series this fourth quarter so the 8800 GTS, GTX, and Ultra will be getting a price drop soon after the release making it affordable for low end users who wants to play DX10 games at a decent FPS.


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I'm still trying...
Agh I'm giving up.
Time to go to best buy and try to find if they have anything that will work right.
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Stay with Digital Storm, you will not be sorry.  Go to Resellerratings.com and you will see why.
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Hey Hoss,
How about giving us a call.  One of our techs would be more than happyt to walk you through putting a system that's well within your budget and can handle what you want. 
Give us a chance!
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  Quote Hoss Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Aug 2007 at 10:38pm
Well I have no idea what I'm going to do really...
But I'm seriously thinking about building one...
Hey it would give me something to do...

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what exactly are you doing i am a little confused Confused
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  Quote Hoss Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Aug 2007 at 11:01pm
Well I'm not sure myself...
I owuld like to try and build one I think...
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  Quote Hoss Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Aug 2007 at 11:44pm
I just got an idea...
Why not add another video card and more RAM to my current system?
Sounds easy. I've already opened the case.
Then I couldn't find what was what and got all confused.
Edit: Oh, nevermind. Found the video card.
Ok now...
*goes to read online manuals*

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Yeah thats what I tried to do.
Dell put it in the lowest ram chips possible to get up to 1 Gb so its was starting to get expensive. Then I found out that my graphics card was a complete piece of poo so a new computer is really looking good.
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Alright I have 2 video cards chosen and 1 RAM chosen.
The first card.
The second card.
I'm not sure which to pick actually...
The RAM.
Crap the links don't work!
Edit: Ok got it working.

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Originally posted by skyR

Radeon X1950XT
Geforce 7950GT

These top end DX9 cards can out perform the low end DX10 cards (Geforce 8500 & 8600) in alot of games.

Every game on the current market is still DX9, so there is no reason to buy a bad card just for DX10.

The first game to the market that will support DX10 is Crysis and I can't imagine running that game with a Geforce 8500 or 8600!

Nvidia is suppose to release their new Geforce 9 series this fourth quarter so the 8800 GTS, GTX, and Ultra will be getting a price drop soon after the release making it affordable for low end users who wants to play DX10 games at a decent FPS.



Would it be better to wait then and either buy dual 9's when they come out or 8's for a lot cheaper instead of buying a dual 8800 ultra pc right now?
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The 8800 ULTRA video cards are amazingly fast, nothing out there can touch them yet. You could wait for the 9 series, but, the prices of those cards are going to be higher, as technology becomes more advance, the prices always go higher and higher over time.
 
NVIDIA has to release new products all the time, or else they would go out of business. Once you purchase the 9 series, then, in a few months your going to hear about the next big thing. This is a cycle that keeps occurring. Your better off going with a dual 8800 ULTRA setup now, [the prices have come down on them already] and you can take advantage of the mature driver support for them. Getting a 9 series will cause a lot of driver issues since they will be in the beta stages.
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Originally posted by Alex

The 8800 ULTRA video cards are amazingly fast, nothing out there can touch them yet. You could wait for the 9 series, but, the prices of those cards are going to be higher, as technology becomes more advance, the prices always go higher and higher over time.
 
NVIDIA has to release new products all the time, or else they would go out of business. Once you purchase the 9 series, then, in a few months your going to hear about the next big thing. This is a cycle that keeps occurring. Your better off going with a dual 8800 ULTRA setup now, [the prices have come down on them already] and you can take advantage of the mature driver support for them. Getting a 9 series will cause a lot of driver issues since they will be in the beta stages.


OOooooh yeah I forgot about the DRIVER issues, those are a major pain. I agree with what you said, and actually had pretty much decided to go with the 8800's anyway, prob going to buy the pc soon Smile just checking things out.
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Are we talking about my suff or something totally else?
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  Quote Donut Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Aug 2007 at 7:53pm
Originally posted by Hoss

Are we talking about my suff or something totally else?


Sorry, guess we got off topic. Now you wanted budget help with your comp, right? Hmm. Did you make a custom build from ds's cheapest option? Try that.


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Sorry about that, I looked over various builds, judged the performance charts and came up with ticket #71426.
 
That is definitely in your price range. The good thing about this setup is first of all it has Intel's newest 1333MHz Front Side Bus processor, and not a low end one at all. This will provide you a nice boost for future upgrades because the last thing you want to do is swap your processor after you made a big investment.
 
We are going with a 2GB 667MHz memory setup because this is by far a recommended setup.
 
We even got a 8 series (Direct X 10) compatible graphics card.
 
I looked over performance charts and this setup will power all the games out today and even new games with reduced graphics [but still be very functional].
 
I hope that helps you out! Big%20smile
 
Originally posted by Hoss

Are we talking about my suff or something totally else?


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  Quote Hoss Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Aug 2007 at 9:28pm
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Mabye I didn't make myslef clear...
I've decided to just add some parts to make my computer better instead of buying a whole other system.
It's cheaper and I think that it will work...
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Oh, alright, well in that case, just apply the same idea towards your upgrade.

 
If your upgrading a Dell machine you will run into a lot of compatibility problems with off-the shelf hardware that you can get from pretty much everywhere. That includes power connectors and such. Plus, if there are compatibility problems, etc, your going to invest a lot of time into resolving it and even then you wont be sure if future problems can develop.
 
I believe what you have might be outdated, DDR2 memory, and the PCI express bus is what's required for upgrades for the newer generation of hardware that's in the market today.
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  Quote Hoss Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Aug 2007 at 10:35pm
?
Oh crud...
I just looked in my computer again and the video card is in a slot that doesn't look like any other slots...
So can you only have 1 video card?
Edit: Oh. Whew. I feel better.
Nevermind that part...

Ok this is similar to mine.
Just a question. The white bars in the top left corner are the video card slots. But those are just normal PCI slots right? Not express?
Edit again: HAH! I'm finding these for myself!
Ok here's a video card that will fit me...
and that's pretty much the only thing that is in my spending area. (Like under or close to $100)
Well and there's this one. But it's more pricy and it doesn't seem to be much (or any) better...

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Building a new PC right now will probably be the best choice for you. Your PC is pretty old and not worth upgrading.

Build a PC and maintain it and it will last you for many years to come. You can add ram, a new GPU, or a bigger HDD whenever you need to.

Here's a very good build that will last you a long time.

GIGABYTE GA-P35C-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard  $158.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128048
Very futureproof motherboard, it supports DDR3 ram and I think it also supports the new upcoming 45mm CPUs

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600   $309.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
This is a no brainer, 4 cores > 2 cores, easily overclocked to 3.2ghz if needed.

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB)    $82.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145015
standard amount of memory for today's software and games.

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM   $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822144701
Enough space for gaming, video, music, photos for anyone except crazy entertainment dudes.

OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI ATX12V 700W Power Supply   $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341002
Very silent and powerful PSU.

Antec Performance One P180B ATX Mid Tower Computer Case   $129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129017
Awsome looking case.

EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB PCI-E x16 Video Card   $279.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082
8800 GTS is a very high-end performance affordable DX10 card. Get ready for DX10, dont worry about DX11 until 2010!

Grand Total = 1049.93

If you don't already have a retail version of Windows XP or Vista Premium then that's going to be another $200. Im sure you can find cheaper parts if you are really on a budget.
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Originally posted by Alex

Actually, we use to carry the 7950GT graphics card before the 8 series came into the market, and we decided we wanted only the best for our customers, no matter what budget, so we decided to go with the newer 8 series design and support for Direct X 10. Not only that, Vista drivers for the 8 series have better support than the 7 series (don't get me started about SLI in Vista with the 7 series cards).
 
ATI's current solution does not work with NVIDIA's boards. Your going to be stuck with an Intel chipset. Not only that, ATI's latest card draws too much power for the little performance it has against the powerful 8 series cards.
 
Price range wise, the 8800GTS 320MB is only $40 more than the 7950GT 512MB. Don't get confused with the lower memory size, look at the performance chart of 3D Mark (a respectable industry standard to benchmark games):



That's a 3DMark, I'm talking about FPS game performance like WoW, Doom 3, FEAR, BF2142, etc.

The high-end DX9 cards Radeon X1800-1900 and GeForce 7800-7900 wipes the floor with the GeForce 8500-8600 DX10 cards in 95% of games out today. And the price for the high-end DX9 cards is $40 - $150 cheaper then the 8800 GTS, that's alot of money =o


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Originally posted by Hoss

?
Oh crud...
I just looked in my computer again and the video card is in a slot that doesn't look like any other slots...
So can you only have 1 video card?
Edit: Oh. Whew. I feel better.
Nevermind that part...

Ok this is similar to mine.
Just a question. The white bars in the top left corner are the video card slots. But those are just normal PCI slots right? Not express?
Edit again: HAH! I'm finding these for myself!
Ok here's a video card that will fit me...
and that's pretty much the only thing that is in my spending area. (Like under or close to $100)
Well and there's this one. But it's more pricy and it doesn't seem to be much (or any) better...


That board is an AGP board and will NOT work with a pci-express.  AGP is a single GPU architecture.  You would benefit greatly going with a PCI express board.
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  Quote Larry Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Aug 2007 at 7:53am
I think that a new computer would be the best bet for you.  Now is a good time to move up to PCI-E and leave AGP in the past.
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  Quote Donut Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Aug 2007 at 1:17pm
Originally posted by Larry

I think that a new computer would be the best bet for you.  Now is a good time to move up to PCI-E and leave AGP in the past.



Thats probably a good idea. What would be your budget for a new computer, anyway?
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  Quote Hoss Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Aug 2007 at 3:32pm
Only $900. I thought I could get to $1000 but...
That's all I could scrounge up.
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Replace the PSU and Case in my earliar post with these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156063

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153028

And your grand total comes up to $939.93
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