So with the 680 out...

I wanted to know, people said

"Once the 680 comes out, the 570 card builds should be lowered in price"

so far, i don't see it happening yet, i just want to confirm this fact.

anyone see their rig dropped by a bit yet?

Prices for the GTX 570/580 won't drop for a while as we have to clear inventory. The price drops will not be that large.

I was playing with the configurator, and I noticed that the price difference between the "no thanks I'll install my own" and gtx 6802GB was $690. I thought this was supposed to be a sub $500 card. Did I do the math wrong or is the markup really that aggressive?

In unrelated news, what happened to the raven? Did your new vertical cooling offering displace it?

Now all we need is the new intel chips to ship and everything will be roses.

Originally posted by Rabelais I was playing with the configurator, and I noticed that the price difference between the "no thanks I'll install my own" and gtx 6802GB was $690. I thought this was supposed to be a sub $500 card. Did I do the math wrong or is the markup really that aggressive?

Wondering that too. Supply and demand I suppose. Limited supply right now so DS can charge a premium for those willing to pay for the latest and greatest.

i can understand the supply and demand stuff, but when the competetion ( wont name but you know who i am talking about) is charging less for the 680 than the 580, thats a big difference

I agree with Frank.    To order a Pc without a gpu means DS has to install a gpu,test the rig and then uninstall the gpu. That has to cost extra.   Plus, $55 more for the 680 over the 7970 is also well worth it.    We can't expect DS to charge what newegg, forexample charges for parts.   DS assembles, tests and supports what they sell and have to turn a reasonable profit, otherwise they wouldn't be here.    

Edited by bprat22 - 23 Mar 2012 at 3:05pm

that makes sense to a point in my opinion, ya 55$ more than the 7970 is worth it performance wise. why would they charge more for the 680 when its a cheaper priced card than the 7970?   doesn't make sense.    especially when the competition is pricing the card properly, some are even making it cheaper than the 580.    

i agree that they shouldn't charge newegg pricing if they did that they would go out of business right away lol. but charging 690$ for a 499$ card is a little much in my opinion.

Edited by whieb - 23 Mar 2012 at 3:34pm

oh i would never suggest ---------- or -------------- lol, i dont even know how those places are still in business. im sure alex will be here soon to edit out their names lol :P

it may hold true on your system but from the sounds of it your system was a lot higher end build $$$ wise which ds does do pretty good at.   its the mid range where they loose badly. i priced out 3 different rigs with the 680 on some of the better competitors in the $2000-$3000 range and with the exact same parts, 3 year warranties etc they came out to be ~ $400 less.   not saying anyone should go with them, cause they are no better or worse than DS. just simply pointing out the price differences.    i just wish there was a company that would provide the quality parts/customer service etc without being so greedy, now that would be a succesful business! lol

look forward to hearing what kind of fps and performance you get jmo!

To get back to the original post, i don't see why DS wouldn't drop the price of the 570 (after they sell off their supply they paid more for) since the pricing of the card itself has dropped and will continue dropping.

Edited by Alex - 24 Mar 2012 at 12:54pm

that makes sense on a new product, but on an existing product that you have all ready priced accordingly (building, shipping, testing cost, failure rate etc etc)   all that is changing now is how much it costs you to get the card.   lets say the card drops 40$ in price, why would you continue to charge the same price you did before? to me that is just being selfish.     

and as i said before i understand charging the same for current stock, but when you replenish the prices should drop.   

I really hope they have some kinda sale soon though..dying here LOL

Moving thread to "Hardware Discussion" as this is not a post in regards to help with a configuration.

insta ban? thats cool lol.       like i have said like 10 times now, i understand them having to pay bills. all that i am saying is AS OF NOW the only thing that has changed is the cost for them to get the card.   THATS IT, no other changes.

let me try to use an analogy you guys might be able to understand. lets say with the recent 570 price drop, newegg never dropped their price when they started getting the card for 40$ cheaper.   would that be fair?   no.   DS is doing the same thing here.

Ah Capitalism 

Originally posted by whieb1 k fine, you guys just continue getting ripped off. not my problem just trying to help out the consumer by pointing out some obvious mis-pricing.

Because you view something one way does not mean the rest of the market views it that way.  You need to become aware of some things before you "think" you are the market Messiah. 

Yes, as stated above, this is a capitalistic society.  Here in America a business has the right to make a profit.  As mentioned above, every business operates with overhead, and every business owner(s) have the right to set personal margins to offset that overhead.  It is up to the market, you and I, to place a value perceived perspective on any given commodity and/or product that is on the market for sale.  Your one opinionated view of a business's margins, or their retail pricing, does not change the reality of what actually takes place in the market.

You have a choice.  You can choose to purchase from a retailer, or not.  It is, after all, your choice.  A business's initiative in the marketplace does not change your right to choose, rather it markets to that taste and attitude which leads toward your choice.  If you choose to purchase from another retailer, your choice not to buy from DS does not mean the "way" they market their product(s) is wrong.  It simply means that you choose to purchase from someone else that you "feel" has your best interest in mind.  Purchasing on feelings does not change the reality of the way a retailer goes to market.  It simply means that you are lead by a feeling, and an ignorant view of how retailers go to market. 

It's ok for you to believe what you believe based on the little bit you most likely know about retail markets, but you cannot expect people that do understand retail markets to believe your view.  The American retail market is a very diverse market and you have to be careful when summing up one given retailer's "way" of doing business because your expectation is based on a general overall perspective of greed in the marketplace. 

What you may see as greedy can simply be a very aggressive margin set by a retailer.  That doesn't make it or wrong, and of course, you do have a choice.

Only in America!        


Edited by EdH63 - 26 Mar 2012 at 6:02pm

I understand your angst, but when you use broad statements like, " the majority of consumers look for the better price. and when you consistently charge more than everyone else for a decent system you are cutting yourself out of the majority of the market", you would actually need to quantify that with some solid data to convince people that what you're saying actually is cutting them out of the majority of the market to that degree.  Broad statements vs. actual quantifiable data. 

You see, I don't believe that because one, you can't quantify "everybody" with a number, and two, DS is selling their product, so it seems, without the reservations you have about this affecting those sales.  That doesn't negate your personal feeling about this and the way you feel about this is important.  I believe your passion drives your heart and intellect and that will move you toward a decision.  That's ok, bro.  What you think has value, so it shouldn't be discounted or diminished.  However, you coming here and approaching a company this way that has the right to do business how they choose is really the only thing that others may see as inappropriate.  The best way you make your point in a free market to a retailer that you're unhappy with is just not buying their product.  If you really want to make an intelligent and mature impact, then that's how you go about this.  I'm just saying, my friend, go about this the right way so you look good in the end.  Leave the impact and exit on a high note.

Don't stop believing in the right things, though.  But remember, the right things can also be construed differently according to personal perspective.  Talking things through with the desire to see a good end result is the way to come to a sensible conclusion so that there is a better understanding of all the choices that are made, on both sides of the fence.   I really don't think DS is out to screw the market.  Does that really make good business sense to commit market suicide?  No, it doesn't.     

Edited by EdH63 - 28 Mar 2012 at 10:28pm

Interesting fact incoming.

I own 4 Alienw.. systems, 2 Cyberp and 1 IBuyP.

All of them.. just come undone in real world usage.

I do not care, not one bit about how great they look, how much their parts costed me in the config or how fast I get the system.

What I do care about is this...

When they DO fall apart in real world usage - and they will.. I care the company helps me out.

Listen, this isn't a flame but you can't use DS and quotes like " if you become a business that ignores making customers happy with the pricing and just charges whatever you damn well please, is not good business practice." in the same paragraph let alone sentence.

These people -are the definition- of customer service.

Their techs call from their own home, on their own time sometimes. (Read the customer feedback forums) I asked AW TODAY if I could mail my PC in at my own cost (has 173 days left of warranty on it) because it blue screened 16 times in the last 2 days. They said: "No, we are going to send you parts based on your DESCRIPTION of your problem.." verified my address and hung up. Just like that.

I called DS a few weeks ago and ran my build by them..

They said I should switch out processors because the other processor they recommend was CHEAPER and I wouldnt notice the difference.

Other companies sell their configs with serious issues and don't tell you about possible issues.

With other companies you are buying a name.

With Digital Storm - you buy quality.

... and with that - that is worth the extra little bit of money for the 460, 470, 480 the 1080p the 43923231 or any other number of part, card or reader you wanna put in there.

Not hating on your opinion - just stating mine.

Like LaneHayes said, the labor and testing alone not to mention great customer service more than warrants the price.

Hell, before I ordered my build I priced out every single part for the cheapest I could find each and it was barely over $100 more for Digital Storm to build, test, ship, and throw in a warranty. I don't have to deal with any bad parts through the retailer or god forbid manufacturer, Digital Storm will walk you through the process, replace any bad parts, and offer life time customer care on all of there builds.

If you want to save a couple hundred dollars on a machine that may not even work or on parts that cannot be guaranteed then go ahead and purchase from these cheaper retailers. Maybe you will get lucky but to me its not worth wasting $2000+ to have a glorified doorstop.

I love Newegg as much as the next person for the prices but cheaper isn't always better.

Digital Storm will keep making quality builds for competitive and reasonable prices, they will keep having great customer service, and they will keep myself and many others coming back.