FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Recommended $6000-7000 4K gaming PC configuration?

Post Date: 2014-04-23

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Death Prodigy View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 21 Apr 2014
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 27
  Quote Death Prodigy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Recommended $6000-7000 4K gaming PC configuration?
    Posted: 23 Apr 2014 at 7:13pm
I'll be getting a Dell UP3214Q 4K monitor for $2500, so that leaves about $5000 for the actual gaming PC. The Aventum II seems too expensive for that budget.
Back to Top
Alex View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group

Digital Storm Supervisor


Joined: 04 Jun 2012
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 16314
  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Apr 2014 at 9:06pm
If you're concerned about getting the best performance for your money, I suggest checking out the Hailstorm II or even our ODE (it can pack a ton of hardware!).

You could go without exotic liquid cooling on the graphics cards as well which will save a ton of cash (you don't need liquid cooling for graphics cards as their stock cooling is more than plenty as long as you have good airflow).

Checkout this config which is basically $5K, it can crush any game out there and will run 4K with smooth gameplay: https://www.digitalstormonline.com/configurator.asp?id=800004
Back to Top
Death Prodigy View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 21 Apr 2014
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 27
  Quote Death Prodigy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Apr 2014 at 10:09pm
I've seen several 4K benchmarks with 780 Tis in SLI, just that I can't seem to find a benchmark of the EVGA Superclocked version in SLI, the stock 780 Ti with overclocking, with the most demanding games (Crysis 3) at maximum settings and 4x AA in 4K barely averages 30fps. And I've heard that i7 4770k is more suited for gaming as i7 4930k is more geared towards heavy photo/video editing and rendering, and is overkill.
Back to Top
bprat22 View Drop Down
DS ELITE
DS ELITE

DigitalStorm East -- (Unofficially!)
Email address used to purchase matched with forums account email.

Joined: 08 Jun 2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 20391
  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Apr 2014 at 2:36am
The config I put together in your other thread, config # 953812, is just right and below your budget.   Just drop from tri-sli to sli 780ti and pick the case you like. It does allow for a 3rd card or if sli is all you need, drop to a Sabertooth mobo and 1050hx psu.

Lots of ways to go. If you go SC ACX in sli, the Hailstorm 2 or Air 540 have very good airflow which is needed for the extra heat the dual fan dumps into the case.   The overclocked cards add about 10% fps to the 780ti.

Good luck.

Here's a link that shows reference 780ti vs oc ACX.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/evga_geforce_gtx_780_ti_sc_acx_superclock_review,22.html



Edited by bprat22 - 24 Apr 2014 at 2:58am
Back to Top
danjw1 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 07 Jul 2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 667
  Quote danjw1 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Apr 2014 at 10:31am
Originally posted by Death Prodigy

I'll be getting a Dell UP3214Q 4K monitor for $2500, so that leaves about $5000 for the actual gaming PC. The Aventum II seems too expensive for that budget.


Why that monitor? It has a fairly slow response time at 8ms. It also has really bad input lag. Here is a review: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7906/dell-up3214q-review.

I would suggest you go with something that is more built for gaming. Like a ROG Swift, it is 27", supports G-Sync and has a 1ms response time. Heck for the list price you can buy three for less. ;-)

Here is a very solid ~$4k build: https://www.digitalstormonline.com/configurator.asp?id=955033

Edited by danjw1 - 24 Apr 2014 at 10:40am
Back to Top
Nav View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group

Digital Storm Employee


Joined: 15 Jan 2021
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1581
  Quote Nav Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Apr 2014 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by Death Prodigy

I've seen several 4K benchmarks with 780 Tis in SLI, just that I can't seem to find a benchmark of the EVGA Superclocked version in SLI, the stock 780 Ti with overclocking, with the most demanding games (Crysis 3) at maximum settings and 4x AA in 4K barely averages 30fps. And I've heard that i7 4770k is more suited for gaming as i7 4930k is more geared towards heavy photo/video editing and rendering, and is overkill.


It really depends, is 4x AA necessary for you? If not, 2x or no AA will give you much better performance. At 4K on that size of a screen aliasing is less noticeable.

Also, deleted Yoelli's posts. Less trolls, the better.
Back to Top
Death Prodigy View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 21 Apr 2014
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 27
  Quote Death Prodigy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Apr 2014 at 10:04pm
Is 3-way SLI GTX 780 Ti EVGA SC worth it above 2-way EVGA SC GTX 780 Ti?
Back to Top
bprat22 View Drop Down
DS ELITE
DS ELITE

DigitalStorm East -- (Unofficially!)
Email address used to purchase matched with forums account email.

Joined: 08 Jun 2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 20391
  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 3:15am
For 4k gaming, I would say yes. The 3rd card adds another 20 fps in in a lot of games. For Crysis 3 for sure.   

Here's the benches Nav did for 4k with various setups.
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/forums/nvidia-gtx-780ti-sli-4k-overclocking-benchmarks-tidf21470/

Turning settings down will make a 2x sli setup good gaming. Depends what you need.
Back to Top
Meller View Drop Down
DS Veteran
DS Veteran


Joined: 20 Feb 2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1627
  Quote Meller Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 3:16am
Hey Death Prodigy. There are a couple of things to note, regardless of 4k, 1600p, 1440p, and so on. The GTX 780, GTX Titan,, GTX 780 ti, GTX Titan Black, and the upcoming GTX Titan Z are all capable of running 4k. Next, depending on the game, going @ 30fps will run great. Other games do require more, but you can't put all of that on your graphics.

Sometimes, it's not even more GPU's you need. You need to look at GPU memory. Do you have enough to run those games at 4k without maxing it out. Some games are more CPU dependent than GPU dependent. World of Warcraft for example, will show more benefit from a nicer cpu, than a stronger gpu.

If you want to get truly technical, you start seeing minimal improvement in the majority of games between an i5 and an i7.

Personal recommendation would say save your money and wait for ASUS to release it's 28" 4k monitor for $799. Then use that money you saved on the monitor to buy either a couple of GTX Titan Blacks with their 6gb of memory, or wait for the supposedly EVGA GTX 780ti that will have 6GB of ram. You'll be saving $1800 on the monitor, so you figure upgrade to the titan blacks for another $600 (total for the pair), leaves you with $1200 maybe 2x 256gb Samsung 840 PRO SSD's in raid 0 for your primary and a nice 4TB Western Digital Black.. a little ram and a bigger PSU.

You're losing like maybe 1" of noticeable viewable surface on the monitor, and saving a lot of money while maintaining the same resolution. Plus, the 28" won't be a "dual monitor" set-up like the majority of the 31" monitors are. Which means better performance for you, since you're interested in Anti-aliasing.
Custom PC
Ryzen 9 5950X
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme
128GB DDR4 3600mhz
EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming
Samsung 980 Pro 512GB m.2
Samsung 960 PRO 2TB m.2 x2
Back to Top
bprat22 View Drop Down
DS ELITE
DS ELITE

DigitalStorm East -- (Unofficially!)
Email address used to purchase matched with forums account email.

Joined: 08 Jun 2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 20391
  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 3:29am
Just to reinforce what Meller said about vram, here's another bench Nav did that shows the importance of vram. The 3 GB vram does get stretched in 4k screens.
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/forums/video-memory-usage-at-4k-uhd-resolutions-tidf21855/

3gb vram works but in this case, more works better.
Back to Top
Meller View Drop Down
DS Veteran
DS Veteran


Joined: 20 Feb 2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1627
  Quote Meller Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 3:37am
Originally posted by bprat22

Just to reinforce what Meller said about vram, here's another bench Nav did that shows the importance of vram. The 3 GB vram does get stretched in 4k screens.
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/forums/video-memory-usage-at-4k-uhd-resolutions-tidf21855/

3gb vram works but in this case, more works better.


I strongly believe that as 4k picks up in popularity, and more and more developers start supporting it, the requirements of vram will in crease. While 3GB may get you by for now, it won't forever.

And don't think just because you have 2x GPUs, each with 3GB you have 6GB. Same goes for dual gpu cards, like the GTX 690, 7990, or the GTX Titan Z. If a dual gpu card said it has say 6GB of vram. Each chip still only has 3GB.
Custom PC
Ryzen 9 5950X
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme
128GB DDR4 3600mhz
EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming
Samsung 980 Pro 512GB m.2
Samsung 960 PRO 2TB m.2 x2
Back to Top
bprat22 View Drop Down
DS ELITE
DS ELITE

DigitalStorm East -- (Unofficially!)
Email address used to purchase matched with forums account email.

Joined: 08 Jun 2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 20391
  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 3:52am
Yep, and same for Crossfire. The new r9 290x2 is an 8 GB card but still 4GB per gpu. How many people bought the gtx 690 thinking they had usable 4GB vram?

Back to Top
Meller View Drop Down
DS Veteran
DS Veteran


Joined: 20 Feb 2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1627
  Quote Meller Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 5:06am
Far too many. Hopefully thanks to places like this forum, among other techie review sites, people now a days won't be surrounded with deep parts, and equally as deep of ignorance.

It's crazy to realize how over the past couple of years, thanks to places like youtube and facebook, how popular tech review sites have become. And how those review sites are doing a great job at informing and teaching people. As corny and cheesy as it sounds, especially given that I'm only 27... We didn't have huge names like Tiny Tim and Linus 10+ years ago to help teach us.
Custom PC
Ryzen 9 5950X
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme
128GB DDR4 3600mhz
EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming
Samsung 980 Pro 512GB m.2
Samsung 960 PRO 2TB m.2 x2
Back to Top
danjw1 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 07 Jul 2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 667
  Quote danjw1 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 7:39am
Here is a review of the 780 Ti that includes benchmarks for 2-way SLI: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7492/the-geforce-gtx-780-ti-review

I think we are all in agreement that the monitor you were considering isn't the best choice. It just isn't designed for gaming. My personal option is that it is better not to go over 1440P with the current generation of graphics cards.

Edited by danjw1 - 25 Apr 2014 at 7:42am
Back to Top
Meller View Drop Down
DS Veteran
DS Veteran


Joined: 20 Feb 2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1627
  Quote Meller Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 8:21am
Oh, I'm buying the new Asus 28" 4k monitor as soon as it's released. 4k will be great. I'm extremely excited about it.
Custom PC
Ryzen 9 5950X
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme
128GB DDR4 3600mhz
EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming
Samsung 980 Pro 512GB m.2
Samsung 960 PRO 2TB m.2 x2
Back to Top
UffDa View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie

Email address used to purchase matched with forums account email.

Joined: 01 Apr 2014
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 59
  Quote UffDa Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 8:26am
Originally posted by Death Prodigy

I've seen several 4K benchmarks with 780 Tis in SLI, just that I can't seem to find a benchmark of the EVGA Superclocked version in SLI, the stock 780 Ti with overclocking, with the most demanding games (Crysis 3) at maximum settings and 4x AA in 4K barely averages 30fps. And I've heard that i7 4770k is more suited for gaming as i7 4930k is more geared towards heavy photo/video editing and rendering, and is overkill.


I used the ODE build flow to build mine. $4600 for the build you see in my sig...
i7 4930K 4.3GHz OC
ASUS Rampage IV Extreme
32GB DDR3 1866MHz Corsair Vengeance Pro
256GB SSD Samsung 840 Pro
2TB WD Caviar
2xSLI GeForce GTX 780 3GB EVGA Superclocked
Back to Top
Nav View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group

Digital Storm Employee


Joined: 15 Jan 2021
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1581
  Quote Nav Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 12:09pm
For 4K, I would recommend SLI Titan Blacks or the new R9 295X2. Althought you still can't run 4X AA, at 2X you can still enjoy an amazing experience with 60FPS on most games.

Here are my benchmarks for the AMD R9 295X2.
Back to Top
Meller View Drop Down
DS Veteran
DS Veteran


Joined: 20 Feb 2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1627
  Quote Meller Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 12:45pm
Definitely, the blacks just offer you that nice cushion of vram for such a high res. Plus if you take the recommendation of getting a 28" 4k over the 31", you'll be saving so much money you can afford all these nicer parts. nicer cpu, more ram, better (needed) cards, etc...
Custom PC
Ryzen 9 5950X
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme
128GB DDR4 3600mhz
EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming
Samsung 980 Pro 512GB m.2
Samsung 960 PRO 2TB m.2 x2
Back to Top
Nav View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group

Digital Storm Employee


Joined: 15 Jan 2021
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1581
  Quote Nav Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 1:19pm
Yeap. In addition, because the 28" is even more dense, AA might not even be necessary.
Back to Top
Counsel View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie

Email address used to purchase matched with forums account email.

Joined: 29 Sep 2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 125
  Quote Counsel Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by Nav

Yeap. In addition, because the 28" is even more dense, AA might not even be necessary.

I've been very curious about this since Anandtech and Tom's Hardware posted their 4K gaming pieces last year. Given that the goal of anti-aliasing is to mitigate the abrupt transition between pixels, and the goal of 4K is to make the individual pixels too small to see, is there any distinguishable difference between AA on and AA off at "retina" level pixel densities?

I haven't seen any articles on the topic, perhaps because it's difficult to develop an objective way to test.

Proud Slade Owner
Back to Top
Nav View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group

Digital Storm Employee


Joined: 15 Jan 2021
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1581
  Quote Nav Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2014 at 6:06pm
Originally posted by Counsel

Originally posted by Nav

Yeap. In addition, because the 28" is even more dense, AA might not even be necessary.

I've been very curious about this since Anandtech and Tom's Hardware posted their 4K gaming pieces last year. Given that the goal of anti-aliasing is to mitigate the abrupt transition between pixels, and the goal of 4K is to make the individual pixels too small to see, is there any distinguishable difference between AA on and AA off at "retina" level pixel densities?

I haven't seen any articles on the topic, perhaps because it's difficult to develop an objective way to test.


Looks like I need to investigate!
Back to Top
Death Prodigy View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 21 Apr 2014
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 27
  Quote Death Prodigy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Apr 2014 at 12:54am
Is an i7 4820k worth it over an i7 4930k? I will not be doing much graphics or video editing and rendering work, mainly gaming at 4K as stated above.
Back to Top
Nav View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group

Digital Storm Employee


Joined: 15 Jan 2021
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1581
  Quote Nav Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Apr 2014 at 1:46am
Originally posted by Death Prodigy

Is an i7 4820k worth it over an i7 4930k? I will not be doing much graphics or video editing and rendering work, mainly gaming at 4K as stated above.


I'm guessing you mean the 4930K over the 4820K? At the current state of gaming, you won't notice a difference. However, it is hard to tell if in the future more games will support more than 8 threads.

In the current direction AAA titles are heading, I think that by Q4 more games will start to utilize multiple threads. BF4 already takes advantage of multiple threads.

EDIT: I also wanted to point out that DirectX 12 aims to lower the CPU overhead, so that might change things completely. It's hard to really say at this time.

Edited by Nav - 26 Apr 2014 at 1:51am
Back to Top
Meller View Drop Down
DS Veteran
DS Veteran


Joined: 20 Feb 2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1627
  Quote Meller Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Apr 2014 at 3:45am
I'd take a 4770k over a 4820k any day though, as the 4770k usually out performs a 4820k. If you're to go down the 2011 socket, I'd say at least buy the 4930k (or 3930k if you find it on sale).
Custom PC
Ryzen 9 5950X
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme
128GB DDR4 3600mhz
EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming
Samsung 980 Pro 512GB m.2
Samsung 960 PRO 2TB m.2 x2
Back to Top
Death Prodigy View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 21 Apr 2014
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 27
  Quote Death Prodigy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Apr 2014 at 6:41am
I figured an i7 4820k using the LGA2011 socket would be better for 3-way SLI setups (changed my mind now)due to 40 PCIe slots for huge amounts of bandwidth so that there won't be any bottlenecks compared to the 16 PCIe slots on LGA1150.
Back to Top
bprat22 View Drop Down
DS ELITE
DS ELITE

DigitalStorm East -- (Unofficially!)
Email address used to purchase matched with forums account email.

Joined: 08 Jun 2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 20391
  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Apr 2014 at 9:59am
That's true.  The 2011 does have native 40 lanes of pcie.  Depending on the mobo, the Sabertooth for example would give you a x16x16x8 for tri-sli. 

A 1150 can almost match it with the Asus Maximus 6 Extreme which has an added PLX chip that increases the pci lanes to 40 by multiplexing the 16 lanes from cpu across the added lanes with little or no lag.   Again every manufacturer does it a bit different how they regulate, switch the data flow.

The Maximus 6 Ext would give you x8x16x8 as opposed to x16x16x8 with 2011.  But the x8  is 3.0 which matches the older x16 at 2.0.  I can't say for sure but I doubt the Titan saturates a x8 at 3.0.  If so the difference would be very small. 

Keep in mind the lane configs are different with different mobo's but in general the 1150 Max 6 extreme mobo should handle tri -sli Titan with little difference plus you get the 4770k cpu which is a better gaming chip than the 4820.

Hope this helps. Big%20Smile




Back to Top
Nav View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group

Digital Storm Employee


Joined: 15 Jan 2021
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1581
  Quote Nav Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Apr 2014 at 11:11am
The 4770K definitely does give better FPS over a 4820K and sometimes the 4930K in pure gaming performance. Like you said, if this rig is just for gaming then the 4770K might be a better option for your needs.
Back to Top
Death Prodigy View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 21 Apr 2014
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 27
  Quote Death Prodigy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Apr 2014 at 8:05am
How does a Sabertooth x79 board fare against a Rampage IV Black Edition in 4K gaming (at all, even by a few fps)?
Back to Top
Alex View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group

Digital Storm Supervisor


Joined: 04 Jun 2012
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 16314
  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Apr 2014 at 10:21am
They won't get you faster FPS, just different features between boards. If you're spending quite a large sum of money, go with the Black Edition due to it having more features for overclocking for example.
Back to Top
danjw1 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 07 Jul 2013
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 667
  Quote danjw1 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Apr 2014 at 11:15am
The issue I have with the new Asus PB287Q, is that is doesn't support G-Sync. If you only want to run one monitor with SLIed Titan Black's then that shouldn't be a problem. If you want to span monitors, then forget about it.
Back to Top
Death Prodigy View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 21 Apr 2014
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 27
  Quote Death Prodigy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Apr 2014 at 10:03pm
Also, is the Hailstorm II case a re-branded Corsair 900D? And will the i7 4930K run stably with 1.3V+ with cool temps at 4.8GHz with Sabertooth X79 motherboard and HydroLux Stage 1 CPU Only Liquid Cooling System? Rampage IV Black seems overkill in this aspect since it doesn't improve fps, but the ROG features seem real cool.
Back to Top
Death Prodigy View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 21 Apr 2014
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 27
  Quote Death Prodigy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Apr 2014 at 10:10pm
Forget it, lol, I just decided to go with the Rampage IV Black due to all its ROG exclusive features
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 7.421875E-02 seconds.