New ODE V2 Configurations

A couple issues. Why are you wasting money on offering the GTX 580 and the Intel 2700k. Both are a complete waste of money. The GTX 570 2.5GB is cheaper then the 580 1.5GB and it runs every single game that the 580 does and in some cases can perform better due to the higher vram.

The benchmark differences between the two cards is in the single digits and people will never see that difference. Things like the 580 should only be used in a multi-gpu system when someone needs every extra frame rate possible because they have a multi-monitor or 3D setup. A single 580 versus a single 570 2.5GB does nothing but waste money.

For the 2700k it is EXACTLY the same as the 2600k in terms of physical specs, it just has a extra 0.10GHz on it's stock clock. Which is totally pointless since you over clock the CPU anyways and due to power management the CPU will NEVER operate at the stock clock speed. It will either down tune it's self when not under load or it will boost up to the over clock setting when it is under load in game.

You could save people a couple extra bucks on the Level 3 and Level 4 models by making those changes. And honestly you should not even be offering the 2700k at all. All you are doing by offering it is ripping off people who don't know any better and they incorrectly assume it's some how better then the 2600k. DS is supposed to be better then the competition, offering something just because it exists is not helping your customers.


Edited by jmaster299 - 16 Apr 2012 at 10:37am

That does not make sense. On the configuration page if I am building a custom system the 2600k will save me $55. You say you are offering the 2700k due to some price deal but to the customer it's still costs $55.

It may work out better for you to offer it in the ODE but for the custom systems you should have it default to the 2600k. The way it is now you are squeezing an extra $55 out of people when that $55 will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to increase the performance of their system.

So if you are going to push certain hardware because it saves you money you should pass those savings on to your customers. As it stands the 2700k only costs $20 more then the 2600k under retail pricing but you charge an inflated $55 price difference. Yes your pricing will be different then retail but by setting the default option to the more expensive item (that has the exact same specs/performance) you hurt your customers.

Like I said in my first post you all are supposed to be better then the other shady custom system builders out there and it's issues like this that expose you for price gouging your customers just like the competition does.

Again, at least show some decency and responsibility and remove the 2700k as the default option for custom systems. You really should not even be offering it as it's a complete waste of money but I can understand leaving it as an option for the people who want it for what ever reason. But at the very least set the default to the 2600k that way if someone does spend the extra money they are forced to make a conscious decision to do so.




Edited by jmaster299 - 16 Apr 2012 at 11:09am

Please read what I said. I know you don't want to extend this because it exposes you for ripping people off. I'm talking about the custom builds. The 2700k is EXACTLY the same as the 2600k in terms of hardware. The only difference is the extra 0.10GHz on the stock clock. For that extra 0.10GHz you charge your customers $55, a total ripoff.

Add in the fact that when the customer selects to have DS over clock their CPU the stock clock no longer applies. So the person who pays $55 for the 2700k has the EXACT same chip in their system as the person who went with the 2600k.

The only one who benefits is DS and DS is only benefiting at the expense of their customers.

I conceded on the 580 vs 570 debate since we have no way of knowing what kind of deal DS is getting. With the 580 it is at least technically a more powerful piece of hardware (even if the difference is only 3-5fps) with a few extra cores and higher clock speeds.The performance diffence may be negligible but at the very least it is different hardware.

With the 2600k and the 2700k there NO difference at all what so ever in the hardware. The only difference is the stock clock speeds. Alex claims the ODE pricing would be the same but at the same time they charge $55 more for the 2700k on a custom system compared to the 2600k.

All I'm saying is if DS is going to sell the 2700k it should not be set as the default option on custom systems. The ONLY reason to do that is try and sneak in the extra $55 cost to the customer and that's wrong for DS to do that to their customers. It is in no way a better piece of hardware.

People will try to argue that it's a business but DS is supposed to be different. By setting the default option to the 2700k it makes DS no better then the other companies they will not allow us to mention here.


Edited by jmaster299 - 16 Apr 2012 at 12:02pm

You are making my case for me. If you are trying to push the 2600k due to inventory it should be your default option. But you are still not being honest about the pricing. The $55 price difference between the 2600k and the 2700k has been that way since last year.

When I first started looking to build my system over 6 months ago the price difference of $55 was still the same. But now you are trying to claim you got some deal on the 2700k so you are featuring them more now but the price remains the same.

If you are going feature the 2700k and are trying to get rid of the 2600k you should drop the price on the 2600k and not leave it the same as it's been since last year still.

All you are doing is hurting customers who don't know any better and taking that extra money from them because you can.

I've already stated it in my earlier response, we made a deal with our vendors to market the 2700K at basically the same price for the ODE V2 line by working out an instant rebate that is strictly for the 2700K CPU. This deal strictly for the ODE V2 and allows us to offer our customers an even better system. There is no reason why we should offer the 2600K instead.

@jmaster299, as mentioned above, the difference in price is due to our inventory for the 2600K.

@Alex, as mentioned above that's a lie since the price difference has been the same since last year. And as mentioned above, what ever the difference is in price you should be listing the cheaper option as the default option on the custom configuration page since both CPUs are 100% identical.

If the price was also the same then it would not matter but since there is a price difference you are ripping people off. Own up to it, admit your mistake and fix the issue.

Alex.....The new ODE V2 lineup finally gives those on a tight $1300 budget a pick comparable to the ole Ode 0.      The new lvl 2 for $35 more gives better gaming than the old lvl 1 and the lvl 4 for $2100 gives us a gtx680 rig with SSD, very good cooler and stage 2 oc and bigger HDD. Well done    

No hints?

@ Alex, thank you so much for the update on level 2.

Did you change it cuz of my complaint alone? (wouldn't mind if you say yes.)

Now i need to find out how good is the 7870 vs the GTX 570 and see if there's any faults with it.

I have the 5870 AMD, but ever since that series, it seems like nvidia dominated the AMD lines (even the 680 > 6990 or something) in terms of power consumption, heat, etc

any insights?

Originally posted by Alex darbebo,   You're suggestion was what pushed our team to do it.   The 7870 was chosen due to it being a newer generation video card (7 series), lower power requirement, and it is faster than the GTX 570 in a few benchmarks.

All kinds of fun stuff

I know, DS is not making this easy

Alex, when do you estimate that the ODE V2 Level 4 will shift to the 3 to 5 business day time frame? I was going to go all out for a 4 to 5 k gaming system, but everyone tells me it would be overkill for what I need it for (mmo's and D3)   The new ODE V2 Level 4 looks like the perfect build for me.

The 3-5 estimate may not become realistic for a few weeks, as we're currently catching up on custom builds, etc...

@ Alex,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418

per this , i looked at the picture, there's clearly the HDMI port, but there's only 1 DVI port, so can i have 2 DVI's or have to be 1 DVI and 1 HDMI?

even if i have the converter, i still neeed to have 2 DVI ports correct?