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    Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 12:02am
Hi, new here. I've been using the same computer for nearly 5 years now. It was built in Jan. of 2004. I've been noticing it's ability to not do the things I want it to do and play the games I'm trying to play.

This is my new computer and need an opinion about whether it's good. I'm going to be using it for gaming (somewhat high end) and It might last me another 3-4 years so that's why I'm getting a powerful one (it's what I consider powerful)

BTW, I am only getting 1 HDD because I already have 2 external a 250 GB one and 160 GB one.
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Chassis: Digital Storm 850Si
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Power Supply: 750W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 3.33GHz (1333MHz Front Side Bus) (6MB Cache)
Motherboard: NVIDIA 750i SLI Core 2 Quad (Chipset: nForce 750i SLI)
System Memory: 4GB DDR2 1066MHz Corsair Dominator DHX (Extreme-Performance)
Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive 1: 750GB Western Digital (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: Blu-Ray Writer/Reader (Burn Blu-Ray discs and play them)
Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
TV Tuner: Pinnacle PCTV USB HD Pro Stick (HDTV, Video Recording, Video Capture)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 3 WindTunnel (Copper Heatpipe Heatsink & Additional Case Fans)
Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Modifications: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: Acer 22 inch (Widescreen) (Black) (High-Performance Gaming Display)
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: Razer Lycosa Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Gaming Mouse (High-Speed Gaming Grade)
External Storage: - No Thanks
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

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ticket number or price range please
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  Quote SunfighterLC Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 2:47am
Id recommend against the lycosa keyboard. I have one myself, been using it for about 4 months since i got my DS computer. The keyboard functions okay and everything.
 
Maybe its just cause i got greezy fingers or something lol..but i first noticed that the rubber coated keys looked 'stained' basically the oil in your fingers will eventually make it look like your most pressed keys are wet.....and then...a few months down the road the rubber will start to peal off your most used keys..

Basically the rubber is 50% off the keypad on the letters W,A,S,D. It still functions like i said...but it looks like crap now.
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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 6:12am
The price is what your looking for? $2939.00

What mice and keyboard should you recommend?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 6:21am
what resolution you gonna be gaming at?
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lol does he visit once aday?
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  Quote pgarthw8 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 9:36am
As far as mouse/keyboards.......
 
I have the Logitech G15 keyboard and G5 mouse.  It's taken me over 2 years to see any wear on the keys, a few are showing through now that it's backlit.  Good keyboard and a great comfortable mouse.
 
AS far as monitors, I have a GATEWAY 22" widescreen monitor in HD.  Great monitor.  Best Buy has them on sale now for only $239.  Add a 4 year replacement plan for another $39 bucks.  Pretty good deal to me.
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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 3:32pm
No, I don't come on once a day. Been busy. lol

My screen now is a 17'' and I play at 1280 x 1024 and I love that resolution. IF there is a better one, suggest it please.

I'm using this to play games at high end graphics. My first test when I get it will be Crysis of course, all settings very high.

So I DON'T get the monitor, keyboard, and mouse here? I get them at another site I'm guessing.

OH! I won't be able to get this (saving the money) until about November. You can never be too early to start planning.
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  Quote MarkNY Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 3:39pm
go with a 24'' inch samsung (see monitor suggestions sticky in hardware discussion for more info)
 
go with 1x 4850x2 and the x58 mobo.  You'll be really suprised on the difference between 1900x1200 and 1280 x1024.  I think you'll be very pleased.
 
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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 4:08pm
24'' inches sounds big. We have a free 22'' tv and it's big. Is 24'' really, like, good?

I'm still kinda noobish, what's x58?

I heard a GTX 260 is better than 4850x2. I'm mostly going by budget. My budget is like $3000
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here you go Ticket# 192774 --- Price: $2830 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Power Supply: 860W PC Power & Cooling (ESA Edition) (Dual SLI Compatible)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only)
System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 1: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU Only
Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Red Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Modifications: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed)
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

here go then, this system will allow you to add another 260 gtx incase you want to game at higher resolutions.

the x58 is the mombo for nehalem.
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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 4:56pm
Thanks but I'm actually looking to add blu ray. This computer is lasting me about 3-4 years and since more and more blu ray Discs are coming out, I'm willing to pay somewhat extra for it.

Is there a report on how much they boost your memory card, proccessor, and video card?
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with a Q9650 you can expect OC speeds of 3.8 to 4.0, but that is my idea, DS dose not guarantee any OC speeds before the build.

if you don't currently use bluray, I suggest you wait and add it later, what you pay now is gonna be lots more then what you pay in say 6 month.

if not then just add the bluray to your setup
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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Oct 2008 at 2:09pm
Thanks for all the suggestions and help guys. Now I can't wait to buy it!
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Oct 2008 at 2:38pm
Don't forget to post pics. good luck
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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Oct 2008 at 5:24pm
WILL take time of course. Hopefully I get the money for it by Nov. 7th or 8th Geek Then I will take super awesome sauce pics. Heart
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by that time the prices might be lower due to the new chip coming out
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Lets hope by that time $ still has any kind of value.

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lol right you never know at these times
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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Oct 2008 at 6:01pm
New Chip?

BTW, I have to change cases to the 750 or antec 900 because I have a desk and instead of drawers on the right side is a giant place for a computer and a slide out thing for a mouse. It's almost 20'' but 19.4 could fit, tightly. It sucks because IF I never got this open space, I could get the good case.
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ouch, I think those are smaller boss and not so great for liquid cooling. this is gonna impact your over all out come.

you know the HAF is suppose to be 21.5" tall, but it has 4 small legs I believe, why don't you call DS and ask and see if it does have those legs, if yes, then if you remove them how tall it would be.
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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Oct 2008 at 6:14pm
I'm not getting liquid cooling.....am I? I was planning on Air 3
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well the system I had for you is liquid cooling, air won't get you the same results for OC, but if you are going with air then ya it should be fine. I will warn you that most people I have seen here get teh stage 3 they say it loud.
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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Oct 2008 at 11:05pm
I saw the differences in the images, Air 2 seems to be quieter.

MAYBE liquid cooling. Never had it before so It's kinda new to me
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its really cool you will like it but its upto you ofcourse it will give most out of your pc
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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2008 at 6:15pm
Maybe but it's about another $300. Then I hear I need to refill it every 6 or so months and I don't know how much liquid costs.

BTW, do you have a number I can call for removing those bottom rollers or holders? I need to ask them about it.

OH, and how much does a wall outlet usually have in power? Like, I want to make sure I get a power supply that doesn't burn out my wall outlet
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you have to see what is the specs of the outlet.

to refil is like adding water to your glass, its very simple, if you have to add liquid its very little and the liquid is cheap.

if you go with teh system I suggested you pay $270 more and get a pc with a speed of 3.8 or higher.

the highest chip out right now is 3.2 and its $1000 more.

the whole point of oc is to pay less and get lot more for it

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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Oct 2008 at 8:17am
Huh. I need to check my box downstairs. Maybe that might have it

Ohhhhh..... I see now. I'm still kinda new with this shoping for PC stuff. I haven't done it in a while.

Thanks. Will call them about removing those bottom pieces.

Some people I know say Quad Core isn't nessesary yet. Are they right? I mean, I can get 3.16 GHz Dual Core or 2.5 GHz Quad. I know it's 2 chips against four but it seems like a mega amount of power.
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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Oct 2008 at 8:46am
So it can't play today's games? Or will it play them, just not use most of the power?

I recofiged my system:

Ticket Number: 194011
Total Price with Instant Savings: $2,968.00
System Config:http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=194011

With that, I get instead of 750GB space, I get 1TB, I get highest RAM, 3.0 GHz QUAD, My blu ray gets in the configuration, The same graphics card, same OS, same TV Tuner, etc....  All still under my budget of $3000.

NOW, what I CAN do is sacrifice Lightscribe, Corsair RAM for OZ RAM, and my TV Tuner and I would be able to get the GTX 280 graphics card. for $2991. Still make my budget with more power though. 
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What hes saying is that its going to take a while for games to actually use quad cores for anything else but here-and-there texture rendering which is the job of GPUs for the most part.
 
And so far games that have taken up support for quad cores have been sucking - content wise.
 
Plus, dont forget what happend to Crysis, most of the gaming industry took notice - having a game made playable for high-end rigs only catters to a small % of total gaming market. I would worry about having a decent GPU.


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  Quote Poland626 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Oct 2008 at 10:14am
Originally posted by Nomak

What hes saying is that its going to take a while for games to actually use quad cores for anything else but here-and-there texture rendering which is the job of GPUs for the most part.
 
And so far games that have taken up support for quad cores have been sucking - content wise.
 
Plus, dont forget what happend to Crysis, most of the gaming industry took notice - having a game made playable for high-end rigs only catters to a small % of total gaming market. I would worry about having a decent GPU.


I'm still kinda confused about Quad core and games. Games that use quad, suck. But regular games that may use dual, play it well?
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  Quote Nomak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Oct 2008 at 10:24am

Well, its more of an opinion - and they all smell differently.

After doing a quick review of games that utilize Quads, i came to a conclusion that all of them suck and work fine w/o actually requiring for you to have a Quad CPU in order to enjoy them.
 
Now, with the way Intel is trying to promote their Quads and killing off Duos they are most likely *really* pushing game developers to take advantage of their them. But, knowing Intel are money grabbing <snip>ers and game's industry ambition to make more $, Duos will be supported and games will be tailored with Duos as being the prime gaming CPU for the time being. Thats just my prediction.
 
In other words, the only people pushing for Quad supremacy in games are Intels backers who are hungry for more profit.


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Oooohhhh..... so it works for everything. got it.

So how well does Crysis run for you? Like, are all of your settings on Very High? I'm trying to make a benchmarking computer for cheap. I think that my config will run it pretty damn well if you ask me.
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Oooohhhh..... so it works for everything. got it.So how well does Crysis run for you? Like, are all of your settings on Very High? I'm trying to make a benchmarking computer for cheap. I think that my config will run it pretty damn well if you ask me.


your config will run any game perfectly fine.

and before you go spending your money on an ati 4870x2

have a look at this charts:

have a look here, iati seperates itself in high resolutions, otherwise some cases gtx is going better

have a look at all the info and make up your mind
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