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    Posted: 28 May 2012 at 8:09am
Hi there, I bought a machince here once upon a time, I thought it's long over due that I upgrade now. I'm a first time poster on these fourms so please be nice.

Budget = $3,000

Usage = Stricktly hardcore gaming & general use (web surfing + music)

Desire = I want to be able to comfortably play StarCraft2 & GuildWars2 on maximum or next to maximum graphical settings. (either 1680x1050 or 1920x1080 resolution)

My current monitor is a 23 inch LG Flatron E2350V.

Ticket #: 693369
Price = $2,916

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Corsair Carbide 300R
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 3930K 3.2GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Six-Core)
Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth X79 (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 2133MHz Corsair Vengeance (High-Performance)
Power Supply: 800W Corsair GS (Dual SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Western Digital/Seagate/Hitachi/Samsung (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: !PROMOTION: Killer 2100 (Optimized for Online Gaming) Lag and Latency Reduction
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 2GB (Includes PhysX) (Overclocked EVGA 02G-P4-2682-BR)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex 240mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (Extreme-Performance Edition)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With Zalman Performance Fans (Up to 6 Fans)
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard)
Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

Any help, advice, or opinions are appreciated here. I have a few questions to start off.

1.) How could my gaming experience benefit from choosing the Deluxe X79 or Extreme X79 MOBOs over the Sabertooth X79?

2.)How does my PSU look for this? What if I decide to upgrade to a GTX 690 4GB or SLI in the future?

3.)Which hard drive set do you recommend?

4.)Under the extreme cooling option which is best for this the (240mm radiator liquid CPU cooler) or the (Noctua NH-D14)? And why?

5.)Would choosing the Zalman performance fans with the Corsair Carbide 300R
chassis model I have selected actually be of any benefit versus the stock fans?
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 8:33am
Hi iPhil...Welcome to the forums.
 
For gaming, the X79 platform will not be used.  That platform is for video editing, rendering, modeling etc. that can take advantage of the quad channel ram and 6 core cpu.
 
Here's a config to look at and I'll explain.
 
Config # 693376      Cost $ 2932
 
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 3770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) (Requires Z77 Motherboard)
Motherboard: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 (Intel Z77 Chipset) (Features Thermal Armor and Thermal Radar)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 520 Series)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2GB (Includes PhysX)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Extreme Performance
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty
 
This has the HafX case, the best for an air cooled rig and with it you don't need the Zalman fan upgrade which are noisy.  The HafX case fans are large, turn slow and move lots of air quietly.
 
The Z77 mobo with i7-3770k chip is great for gaming.  The X79 is more money for no difference you'll ever see.
 
8GB of ram is all gaming can use.
 
The 1050HX psu is tops, has a 7 year warranty that tells of its quality and gives you headroom for future needs.
 
I dropped the Killer card.  I have never used but from all I've heard, it is a waste.
 
Added the sli, 2x gtx670.  This gives you the sli you mentioned, right up front, and will max out gaming on a 24" monitor at 1920x 1080.  The 680 is a great card but the 670's are lots cheaper for a 5-10% difference in gaming.
 
The Noctua D14 is tops in reliability and will work great with the oc'ing and the 3770k chip.  Not much to go wrong with a block of cooling fins. The 240mm Vortex is also very good but does have more that can go wrong.  Your choice of course. 
 
For your budget, I added the 120GB SSD.  Gives you fast load times for Win7 OS and games.
 
This build for the same $$$ gives you better gaming, the SSD and the better  psu for the future and a great case.
 
See what you think and best of luck.Big%20SmileBig%20Smile
 


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  Quote iPhil Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 9:26am
Hey thanks! looks great, makes sense. I didn't realize X79 was totally unnecessary for my needs. I'm glad I didn't just go ahead and blow that money away without posting here first. What is the benefit of two hard drives? Obviously I assume the 120GB SS will be strictly for gaming and the other for everything else?

Would my performance benefit from the 2000MHz RAM versus the 1600MHz version.

Edited by iPhil - 28 May 2012 at 9:29am
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 9:37am
With two hard drives you can have your operating system and crucial apps on it to get a zippy user experience, and then place your data, movies, pictures on the storage drive.
 
There is a very, very small difference in performance between 1600Mhz and 2000MHz.
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 9:39am
Those that have gone to SSD swear they'll never go back.   The OS and games initially  loads alot faster.  The SSD would be used for Win 7 OS, ggames you're using the most and the HDD would be for older games, music, pics, downloaded files, etc.   The SSD isn't needed, a HDD would work great without it, but if it's in the budget then go for it.
 
The faster memory isn't anything you will ever see. 
 
Hope this helps.


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  Quote iPhil Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 9:45am
Sounds sweet, so then when ordering my machine with the two hard drives will my OS come installed on my SSD automatically? Or do I have to write it in special instructions when ordering? In other words is it just the obvious to install WIN7 OS on the SSD and have the HDD leftover for music, apps, documents, junk...?

bprat when you say 8GB of RAM is all gaming can use... Can you explain or elaborate on that?

I'm not questioning you, just would love to understand why.
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 9:49am
DS will put the OS on the SSD as long as it's Drive 1, listed first.  If you put the SSD in drive 2 by mistake they's probably call ya just to be sure.
8GB is just all that gaming can use or access.  More than that just sits there.  Some games can not use more than 4Gb. 

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  Quote iPhil Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 9:56am
I see, thank you guys bprat, Alex you've been so helpful. I'm trying to learn here, and on my own. But it's very easy to feel overwhelmed with technology constantly improving and changing.

What's the differences in MOBOs between the SABERTOOTH Z77, P8Z77-V DELUXE, and Maximus IV Extreme?
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For most , the difference is the Deluxe has built in WiFi, so an additional wifi card isn't needed and the Extreme would be for those that want to tri-sli, 3x video cards.  There are more differences but you'd have to go into 'more info' or go to Asus website to get into detail and see if there's anything special you'd need.
 
For gaming without 3x gpu and wifi not needed then the sabertooth generally fits.
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Okay. What's your opinion on stage two OCing of the CPU, is it safe? Would stage one suffice or is stage two noticeably better?

Same for video card OCing it seems like it's not popular would that shorten the life of the cards dramatically?

Is it necessary to OC let's say dual SLI 670s in order to game at maximum graphic settings on a standard 1920x1080 monitor w/ games such as SC2 & GW2?
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  Quote iPhil Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 12:59pm
Here is my build revised, a little over budget I will admit. I can't seem to find the 120GB Intel SSD only the 180GB version??? I'm customizing from the level 2 Dreadnought. Anyway here it is...

Total Price = $3,214

Saved Ticket Number: 693461

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 3770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) (Requires Z77 Motherboard)
Motherboard: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 (Intel Z77 Chipset) (Features Thermal Armor and Thermal Radar)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 2000MHz GTX-8 Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (180GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 520 Series)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: !PROMOTION: Killer 2100 (Optimized for Online Gaming) Lag and Latency Reduction
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2GB (Includes PhysX)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Extreme Performance
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

Edited by iPhil - 28 May 2012 at 1:00pm
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 1:18pm
To find the 120gb SSD hit the Expert Mode button.    Other options open.     Other than the ram speed and Killer card which was mentioned earler the rest is right on.    Good luck and keep us updated.
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  Quote iPhil Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 1:23pm
I thought it was something silly such as that. As far as the bigfoot network card, I'll give her a shot. The RAM I'm still undecided on. Thanks you've been a huge help!! Big ups.
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You've got some great gaming ahead.   Congrats.
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