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Hello. Like the site. Matter of fact, just came here after three days of scavenging iBuyPower's site and "support". I'm in the market for a new rig, matter of fact a whole new setup, monitor, mouse, keyboard, except for speakers, as I'm letting go of a 7yr. old PC.. I have a cap of 2,000 total, including taxes. I'm not too savvy on building my own but do know a little about parts. And I stress "little", as I have no knowledge on building my own PC but am somewhat knowledgeable on the components. I like the HAF 922 & Elite 430 chassis's but definitely need some help on a good internal setup (Mobo, GPU, CPU, Memory, Cooling (Air or Liquid, which is less to maintain but effective?). I'll be mostly using it for gaming (COD:MW, Crysis.. etc.) and am looking for a setup that will run just about any game on the market at close to or MAX settings. I'm not to sure on the resolution, as I've been stuck in the "stone-ages" for the last 7 years, as far as computing goes. So I would assume max resolution, which I think on most HD monitors, would be 1920x1080. As far as CPU I'm more fond of AMD, however I seem to be behind on the times, so what gets the job done, will do, so I have no bias when it comes to what "talks the talk" either AMD or Intel. Same with GPU, either ATI or Nvidia. I much appreciate any help anyone knowledgeable can offer and do thank you for your time.

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  Quote teaiewold Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 12:52am
I would not buy a monitor, mouse and keyboard from DS. their warranty won't cover those products and you could find something cheaper on different sites. with that being said what do you think is your budget just for the PC alone? that will give the pro's a better range to work with when creating a build. 
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  Quote xXRONINXx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 12:56am
Thanks, solid advice! If for the rig alone, then I would say 1,800 after taxes, that way I have a little leeway with the monitor.
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 12:58am
Do you live in CA? There is only tax if you live in CA.

EDIT: If you don't live in CA, try this for a good base build, assuming you are getting a 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 resolution monitor.

Ticket #434848, Price: $1801

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 930 2.8GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 750W Digital Storm Certified (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Recommended)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: FREE: Hot-selling game with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or above graphics card
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty



Edited by Dragoonseal - 23 Aug 2010 at 1:03am
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  Quote xXRONINXx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 1:01am
No, unfortunately. I live in TX.
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no, there is only tax if you live in Cali. not other states
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  Quote teaiewold Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 1:09am
yes...living in TX is good for this purpose because you don't pay any taxes just shipping. of course i can't think of any other reasons why living in TX would be good. unless you worked for Bioware and lived in Austin...lol. just joking dude.
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  Quote xXRONINXx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 1:26am
Originally posted by Dragoonseal


Do you live in CA? There is only tax if you live in CA.
EDIT: If you don't live in CA, try this for a good base build, assuming you are getting a 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 resolution monitor.

Ticket #434848, Price: $1801

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory
FinishTrim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 930 2.8GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 750W Digital Storm Certified (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Recommended)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM)
Operating System:
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: FREE: Hot-selling game with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or above graphics card
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty


Thanks for the recommendation Dragoonseal. I do have a few questions with this setup though. Is AIR cooling more effective at keeping core temps stable in the long run? I say this because eventually I'm sure I'll be upgrading. Also is the GTX 480 better performance-wise than the ATI 5870? I do see that DS pushes Nvidia sales but in a comparison between the 2, it seems that the 5870 is packing more stream processors and core clock speed. I've been out for awhile but not to sure who's holding the reigns now, so to speak, between the 2. And ABSOLUTELY! No sales tax, frees up another 150 or so to put towards the "Modernizing Me" campaign. Lol I've been out of the game for too long.. Thank you for the recommendation!

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  Quote xXRONINXx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 1:29am
Originally posted by ender


no, there is only tax if you live in Cali. not other states


Thanks Ender!

Originally posted by teaiewold

yes...living in TX is good for this purpose because you don't pay any taxes just shipping. of course i can't think of any other reasons why living in TX would be good. unless you worked for Bioware and lived in Austin...lol. just joking dude.


You just said it.. Austin!
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 1:52am
Originally posted by xXRONINXx

Is AIR cooling more effective at keeping core temps stable in the long run? I say this because eventually I'm sure I'll be upgrading.

A good liquid cooling setup will cool better (note: not the Asetek unit), but is also significantly more expensive. A good air cooler like one of the Noctua units will get you to very high overclocks (3.7-4.2GHz) with good temps, so they're a great performance:value buy.

Also is the GTX 480 better performance-wise than the ATI 5870? I do see that DS pushes Nvidia sales but in a comparison between the 2, it seems that the 5870 is packing more stream processors and core clock speed. I've been out for awhile but not to sure who's holding the reigns now, so to speak, between the 2.

The 480 most definitely out performs the 5870, especially when you crank up game settings and anti-aliasing. It's a nice match for a 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 resolution because it can max out the vast majority of games at that resolution. A 5870 can max most of them too but chokes out on more of them than a 480 does.
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  Quote xXRONINXx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 2:10am
Gotcha! I'll take your word on that one, thanks again. BTW, how did you manage to pull 4.2Ghz from your i7?
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 2:22am
The Noctua NH-D14 is a pretty beastly air cooler, and the HAF 932 case has nice air flow to back it up, so they did most of the work for me. Just gotta work at it for awhile to try to get it stable with as low as voltages as possible, temps can raise surprisingly quick as you raise voltages.
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  Quote xXRONINXx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 3:31am
Nice job! I'm starting to wonder if the HAF 922 I was looking at, has enough ventilation.. I'm a little concerned with the the GTX 480 GPU. From what I've read, it's been known to run at near twice the temp of a normal, single card. I've been hearing a lot of issues with this one, idling at 50c in 2d and running at 93c in full 3D. However, it only has a threshold of 105c. With this card I'm wondering if it's going to last, coupled with the drain from the Processor. It seems safe to assume, that SLI will be out of the question, with this card running that hot. And with a 370 watt active pull I'm wondering if a PSU of 750, is going to cut it with just one card..
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  Quote teaiewold Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 4:47am
Everyone that has a 480 will tell you most of what you've heard is exaggeration. the 750w will be plenty for 1 card. if you plan on going with a second you'll want to bump up to 1200+.
 
Now about Austin I said you have to work for Bioware, that would be the only way i could live in TX....lol.
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  Quote xXRONINXx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 5:55am
You might want to check out what 963 people had to say in their reviews:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-130-552&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo

Not including the possibility of fanboys, it seems they are indeed running hot. But hopefully the AIR cooling setup Dragoonseal mentioned would remedy that. If anyone has a HAF 922 case, maybe you can shed a little light on it's ventilation..?

As for Austin.. Well I don't work for Bioware and I'm not even close to Austin, however I work for someone much bigger than that.
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  Quote teaiewold Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 6:24am
I personally don't have a 480, but from the reviews from the people on this site they say it doesn't run as hot as people think. when it comes to reviews on newegg you have to take that with a grain of salt. i've seen a lot of reviews on there from people that had no clue what they were doing or talking about. plus it would be easy for anti-nVidia people to bash the product. the reviews from the people here i trust more because they are using the PC that was just built for them. which matters more to me since i'll be buying a DS PC.
 
the 922 is a decent case for ventilation. is the 932 better...yes...but you should be fine with the 922. Dragoonseal is one of the most respected config builders on the site with tons of knowledge. if you wait a little later in the day !ender and ablahblah will be on to add their 2 cents as well. both of them are on their game when it's comes to configs as well.
 
plus right now ATI drivers are in the pooper. i think it's been the last 2 updates and people have been having problems. on the other hand nvidia is not having hardly any issues. that's the one thing that i've always noticed is that ati may come out with a bitchin' more powerful card but it seems they don't get the support from the industry as much as nvidia does.


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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 6:35am
Don't believe everything you read on the internet, kids.

It does run warmer than a 5870, but not by much, and the sound difference is negligible, all high end GPUs sound like jets taking off under load regardless.

If you're worried about temps just use a custom fan profile and don't rely on the default one, which likes to prioritize keeping it quiet over keeping it cool. Lilim's 480 idles at 32°C at 50% fan speed and hits a max of 79°C at 79% fan speed under load (only in very demanding games). Default HAF 932 fans, default 480 fans, nothing special.
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  Quote xXRONINXx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 7:53am
Originally posted by teaiewold

I personally don't have a 480, but plus right now ATI drivers are in the pooper. i think it's been the last 2 updates and people have been having problems. on the other hand nvidia is not having hardly any issues. that's the one thing that i've always noticed is that ati may come out with a bitchin' more powerful card but it seems they don't get the support from the industry as much as nvidia does.


So very true. I had a 9800XT Pro on my last PC, which was an outstanding card. That was, until they released driver updates... So I definitely know where you're coming from on that note.

Originally posted by Dragoonseal

Don't believe everything you read on the internet, kids.


Ouch Lilim, give me a little more credit than that lol! I haven't been referred to as a kid for 20 years. I'm not that gullible. Even though not all comments can be legitimate, some are based on truth. Don't get me wrong, even those who made the comment about temperature did not deny that the card outperforms. And I'm not about to be the first. However I don't like to make uninformed decisions, so I'm collecting feedback based on results. Not that I don't believe you or anyone else I'm just trying to plan for the future by choosing a setup that will last. And since it does run a little bit warmer, regardless of the how warm I'm wanting to make sure I'm covering my bases. But you have an excellent point!
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  Quote rayfinkle Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 8:51am
Originally posted by Dragoonseal

Don't believe everything you read on the internet, kids.


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The kid quote is just a figure of speech, I don't mean to insult.

And besides, one should always stay a kid at heart. Hahaha
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A lot of the rumors obout the GTX 480, were from pre-release models, early batch steppings, and full 512 SP.  those did run very hot, were very loud, and consumed a ton of power. the final release version is much quieter, much cooler, and uses less power.  It still is a pretty hot running, fairly loud GPU, but no worse than some other GPU's in the past.  Overclocking them on the stock cooler, will get hot, and loud fast though. lol
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also you have to keep in mind that times change rapidly, 85c for a 480 isnt considered that high on a card with a threshold close to 110c.. but just like any other area of the game, as the power increases so does the side effect. A prius is quiter and gets better mileage than a cobra, but which one would you want in a race?
most of the cards that are worth thier money are in line with this, the higher you get in power, the more you raise noise/heat. cards that produce more noise or more heat than they are worth are left in the dust
 
that said, yes, fermis are warmer than some are used to seeing, but no where near where the marketing and bandwagoning would lead you to believe. and if you dont overclock it, i find it hard to even state that its considerably louder than its competition. i own a 470 and when i play any current games, i cant hear it, (i do wear headphones but not usually too loud). now, when i run benchmarks with it and overclock it, it definitely makes some noise, but that kind of load/stress isnt typical use, just like your processer isnt always at its max temp
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  Quote xXRONINXx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 10:04am
Originally posted by Dragoonseal

The kid quote is just a figure of speech, I don't mean to insult.

And besides, one should always stay a kid at heart. Hahaha


Nonsense! You haven't offended me at all. I was just jabbing you're rib with the comment about being referred to as a kid. Big%20Smile

@Drunken Monkey and !ender

Both extremely good points. And nice comparison with the Cobra lol! I'm considering having 2 120mm fans put on the top of the case as well, which Dragoonseal had mentioned earlier. I'm also trying to figure how much pull all the components (Mobo + GPU + CPU, peripherals, including 2 120mm fans, blue cathode light, Noctua AIR cooling for the CPU) will put on that PSU and whether 750 will be enough to handle everything non OC'd. Also whether it would still be enough to handle everything if I did decide to OC the processor and GPU with the 750 PSU. I'd like to be able to gear it for the specs of these games,  (COD:MW, Crysis) without having to OC the GPU or CPU for that matter. I really do appreciate everyone's feedback, as I think Dragoonseal gave me an ideal setup. Just trying to make sure I have all my ducks in a row, so to speak.

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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 10:31am
GTX 480               =  300 watts
CPU/MOBO         = 250 watts
fans, HDD's, lights=50 watts
total max draw     =600 watts
that is 80% of the power  max, so you are good to go.  in games, most likely will see only 450-500 watts pulled.
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 10:58am
as far as overclocking, you can certainly avoid overclocking the video card as it is not really needed, however, overclocking your processor is absolutely nessesary, check out the link in my signature if you want more information on that
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  Quote xXRONINXx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 9:57pm
Awesome! Thank you both for the much appreciated insight and help.
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  Quote xXRONINXx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 4:40am
Oh lol, wow.... During my pursuit of finding a reasonably priced PC I managed to come across quite a few humorous displays of plain ridiculousness. Just thought I'd brighten everyone's day, with this little diddy:

http://www.gamepc.com/shop/systemfamily.asp?family=gpa&mode=expand

And I thought Alienware believed there s*!t didn't stink...

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  Quote Benson729 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 11:51am
Check out build 434275. I think it is close to what you are looking for.
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 12:43pm
close, but stick with the evga le and the noctua u12p, unless you are buying either of these to favor preference
a limit of 2k says stick with the evga LE and the noctua u12p
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