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  Quote eastor Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 1:51pm
Wow Alex, can I get a 4.6 GHZ clock speed if I select the 975 with my config? 
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 1:53pm
Also, in regards to the 4.0GHz+ overclocking on the i7 920 or the i7 975:
 
1. If you have the budget, I would recommend purchasing the 975 because it is a higher-quality binned processor. You may get lucky and get a good quality i7 920, but, there is a reason why Intel didn't label it as a 975. Trust me, if that 920 could have hit the bin quality requirement for a 975, Intel would have definitely wanted to make a few extra hundred dollars and set the multiplier higher on the 920.
 
You can go with a i7 920, that's not a problem, but, it may run hotter/overclock less than a i7 975 will. But, you may get lucky at the same time too. It's a hit or miss. But, if you are requesting a 4.0GHz+ overclock with a i7 920, we will obviously make sure it's stable at 4.0GHz+ and that its within the 100% load temperatures that we feel are comfertable.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 1:56pm
I think you meant to say "you may get unlucky at the same time too" aka get a 975 that runs hot.

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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 1:56pm

Getting a 4.6GHz overclock would be a Stage 3 overclocking package. This is not available yet.

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 1:57pm
would that be a 24/7 4.6GHz oc Alex?

if yes, when would this package be out?
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  Quote eastor Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 1:57pm
DST, given my current config and the amount of changes I made after placing the order, I was told that I could get store credit, so either way...I had $100 credit to use, so I got the fans basically for that...the outside LCD fan control is more for personal perference and only cost me $50 bucks given the store credit.  I would rather be safe then sorry, if it is not needed, which I doubt...then I am confident that I will be notified, as they called me to offer the $100 credit with no strings attached.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 1:57pm
That would be rare. We haven't seen a lot of 975's perform that way
 
The i7 965's were a different story though. The 975's so far have been performing really well.
 
Originally posted by DST4ME

I think you meant to say "you may get unlucky at the same time too" aka get a 975 that runs hot.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 1:59pm
It would be a 24/7 4.6GHz overclock, but, we aren't done testing this.
 
We are looking over many factors, before we allow this high of an overclock.
 
That's why it isn't available yet.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by eastor

DST, given my current config and the amount of changes I made after placing the order, I was told that I could get store credit, so either way...I had $100 credit to use, so I got the fans basically for that...the outside LCD fan control is more for personal perference and only cost me $50 bucks given the store credit.  I would rather be safe then sorry, if it is not needed, which I doubt...then I am confident that I will be notified, as they called me to offer the $100 credit with no strings attached.


well you are doing it back-wards, when you order stuff they don't call you back and say you don't need it, but if you need it, they call you and say you need it.

anyways its up to you, if you feel comfortable go ahead but there is nothing to be "better safe then sorry about" if temps are not good without the fans they are not gonna just ship it to you anyways, they will call you and let you know that you need the upgrade.

and none of us know if you need it or not, till the system is oced.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by Alex

It would be a 24/7 4.6GHz overclock, but, we aren't done testing this.

 

We are looking over many factors, before we allow this high of an overclock.

 

That's why it isn't available yet.


thank you Alex, I assume this is gonna need a different type of cooling then the regular frostbite.
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  Quote eastor Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 2:02pm
So basically, for now...it would be better to stick with the 920, as it is one grand cheaper, given my current config.  Question though, are you using the 975 for this overclock? 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 2:03pm
if you are referring to their 4.6Ghz then yes they are using the 975
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 2:04pm
Same cooling, but, most likely a triple radiator... maybe a dual radiator setup will work, but, we aren't sure right now. I can't comment further on it because we are still in beta testing.
 
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Originally posted by Alex

It would be a 24/7 4.6GHz overclock, but, we aren't done testing this.

 

We are looking over many factors, before we allow this high of an overclock.

 

That's why it isn't available yet.


thank you Alex, I assume this is gonna need a different type of cooling then the regular frostbite.
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  Quote eastor Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 2:05pm

So DST or Alex, do you think it would be possible to go beyond 4.2 stable if I got the 975 with the dual loop system I have?  Sounds like I should upgrade the CPU rad to dual.  Would that void the warrenty if I overclocked this myself?   



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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 2:13pm
You have to talk to DS about that, with a single rad I'm not sure, as you see Alex is talking about dual or triple rad, as long as you don't fry the chip you warranty is good.

what you can do with a 975 depends on that particular 975, all chips are not the same, you can get a 920 that OCes above 4.2 and you can a 920 that can't go pass 3.8, each chip OCes differently and Will have different temps under OC, that goes for all chips, it is for this reason that I keep saying we don't know what is going to be needed till the system is actually OCed.

have a read here

thank you Alex for that info


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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 2:18pm
We are not offering overclocking beyond 4.2GHz at the moment, we will soon.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by DST4ME

would that be a 24/7 4.6GHz oc Alex?

if yes, when would this package be out?
I imagine it will be with HT off?? If so, wouldn't it then perform the same as a PH II at the same clock?
 
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  Quote eastor Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 2:55pm

So DST, you would not recommend getting the 975, if I wanted to try to push the processor a little higher?  I am thinking that I will want to try this a year or two down the road, but it sounds like if I want to try to get an overclock higher then 4.2, then I would need to get a dual rad on my CPU.   I am thinking of getting the 2GB 285 tri SLI as well for future proofing, wouldn't this provide a benefit in games like GTA4?   

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with Tri sli 275, gta 4 will have all the ram it needs IMO and you will be way beyond the 60 fps needed for smooth gaming.

as for pushing the 275, you would want to upgrade your LC to better waterblock and rad before you worry about the 975.

for gaming you are not gonna notice any difference between 3.8 and 4.2 or higher.

@ Justin I suppose it would be with HT off and in other things then gaming it would perform the same I assume, lol why do you keep asking me questions to which you already know the answer for?
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  Quote eastor Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 3:48pm
Yeah, I think you are probably right, I am more worried about future games coming out for the holidays more then anything.  It would suck to get this system, when I could have had 1-2 GB of ram which might be needed for those games.
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  Quote eastor Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 4:16pm
So DST, are you saying that I will not notice much of a difference with my rig if I upgraded my rig now with a 975, 2000MHZ ram and 3 2GB tri SLI, even with games that come out in the next year or two?    If not, then I will leave it alone...I am kind of curious what the best options available has to offer, that is all.   I figure it will be around an extra $2000 to add that, as well as add a dual RAD for the CPU, in case I get frisky with the overclock. 
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the ram will not make any difference in games, above 3.8GHz and 1600 x 1200 you won't notice much a difference with CPU speed in games, and your Tri sli 275 will keep you good for a couple of years at least.

beyond that newer GPUs that are out in 2 years are gonna be much better then a Tri sli 285 that will just cost you lot of money now.

people seem to think if they overload with GPUs now, they will be covered in the future, my comment is:

how future proof are people that loaded up with Tri sli GPUs from 3 years ago? are their GPUs better now or does a dual sli of current 275 out perform their out dated Tri sli GPUs?

the best way to future proof your PC is to make sure your PSU can handle future GPUs, and just get what GPUs you need right now, you gonna kick yourself in a year or so for going Tri sli, not because you needed it, but because you thought you were gonna be future proof.

keep in mind your tri sli 275 provide almost 3GB of ram.

I would leave everything as it is and just go with a dual rad for CPU. forget about 285s.

to be honest in 3 years, our PC is gonna be even more outdated vs PCs from 3 years ago compared to current PCs.

SATA is gonna have much faster bandwidth, if that is what we will be using, PCI slots are gonna be running much faster, ram is probably gonna be different, I mean compare a system from 3 year ago to a system from now, and look at all the difference, now with technology moving even faster, in 3 years things will have progressed even further/faster.

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All good points, you might want to consider that with your rig! lol   I think I will keep it as is, because the tri SLI rig I have coming will allow me to game at the best resolution to date and will be operating at or over 4.0GHZ which will be pretty awesome.  The 2 grand I could spend to further upgrade, which would probably only allow another 10 frames per second in gaming, could go to my next awesome system.   All games still run great on my dual 8800GTX pc which I bought 3 years ago, which is now my home theater pc.  :) 

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 6:29pm
LOL my rig is build due to performance it can currently provide, the only think in my rig that is future proof is my psu and LC system
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 6:45pm
What PSU are you getting?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 6:52pm
who me? 1200w pc&cooling

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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 6:54pm
yes you. lol as far as future proof, that one is almost outdated now. lol the 300 series GPU's will use 2 8 pin GPU connections as far as I know, not the old out dated 6 pin that the PC P & Cooling has.  Smile  I could be wrong though. Star
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you are right justin =]
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 6:57pm
if it can run 4 x 295 gtx (4 x 8pin, 4 x 6pin) I'm sure it can run whatever else for the next 3 years. nothing an adaptor won't fix if it comes to that.
where did you get your 300gt specs from?

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if it can run 4 x 295 gtx (4 x 8pin, 4 x 6pin) I'm sure it can run whatever else for the next 3 years.
where did you get your 300gt specs from?
It has 2 8 pins, and they fit the motherboard.
It has 3 pcie 8 pin that are  just 6 pin, with a little dangler. lol but they work
 
As to the 300 series, I have no 100% answer. lol
 
It is a great power supply, but it is loud!
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I think my fans for the rad are gonna be louder

I was concidering the SILVERSTONE ST1500 1500W

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Yeah, was wondering if I should get the 1200 watt myself...if I upgrade the cards a year or two down the road...proably would do good getting that don't you think?  Would that provide extra cooling?   Also, since you can only upgrade the liquid cooling once, do you recommned me getting the upgraded parts such as dual or triple rad and anything else you can think of?  Might cost me an extra $500 but be worth it as far as temps and possibly overclocking these cards and others down the road. 
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nah your 1000 should be fine, I'm doing crazy things like 4 x 295 and such for folding. your corsair has 6 x 6+2 pin so you are good to go.

I would upgrade your rad for CPU to dual and maybe the waterblock if you want, other then that, I think you are good, any bigger rads and you will have the same problem I do, where the heck do I put these rads
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  Quote eastor Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2009 at 7:45pm
Yeah, I am just thinking for the next video cards...the 295 in quad already requires a 1200 watt at most vendors...if they offer a 3 series one next year at a discount and it is vastly better, then I might jump on those...and I would bet that a 1200 PSU is required...either way, I don't think it would hurt right? 
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for quad sli 295 all you need is the 1000w, the corsair is a great psu, the 1200w will be louder and put more heat in your case.
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