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  Quote belaflek73 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: I need my build properly vetted
    Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 6:30pm
Hey everyone.  This is my build.  What do you guys think?  Feel free to critique the hell out of it.  Thanks.


Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Corsair Obsidian 550D
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 3770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) (Requires Z77 Motherboard)
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE (Intel Z77 Chipset) (Higher Overclocks and Unique Wi-Fi Features)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 800W Corsair GS (Dual SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: Force GT Series CSSD-F120GBGT-BK) (SATA 6Gbps)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (2TB Hitachi/Seagate (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: ASUS Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs) (Model: BC-12B1ST)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: Wireless PCI-E 802.11n Up to 300Mbps (Supports 802.11n/g/b) (Model: ASUS PCE-N15)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 2GB (Includes PhysX)
Add-on Card: USB 3.0 4-Port PCI Express Card
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: FrostChill Cooling System: CPU Only
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: Touch V12XT Aerocool Temperature Display & Fan Controller (Requires Chassis Airflow Upgrade)
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard)
Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

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  Quote Astrotechnics Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 6:49pm
I'd go for the CM 942 HAF X Case or the Dreadnought. Also the P8Z77 Deluxe has a built in WiFi card and drop the 680 to a 670 as they are very close to each other in terms of power. Also you don't need the frostchill. The Vortex with a 240mm rad will be good enough, also you don't the Temperature display. Also, why a 2tb drive :/

Here's a config I made for you

Ticket Number: 701617
Total Price with Instant Savings: $2,343.00

Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=701617

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 3770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) (Requires Z77 Motherboard)
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE (Intel Z77 Chipset) (Higher Overclocks and Unique Wi-Fi Features) <b></b>
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 800W Corsair GS (Dual SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: Force GT Series CSSD-F120GBGT-BK) (SATA 6Gbps) <b></b>
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital/Seagate/Hitachi/Samsung (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) <b></b>
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2GB (Includes PhysX)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex 240mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (Extreme-Performance Edition) <b></b>
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty
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  Quote belaflek73 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jun 2012 at 6:47am
Ok so I don't need the wifi card. I was going to use the SSD as my boot drive and then the 2tb drive for storage. Do you think the 670 can handle even the most intense games I throw at it at ultra settings?
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jun 2012 at 8:20am
Hi beleflek75......That is a great build Astrotechnics showed you.  He's got this covered.
 
What size monitor and resolution will you be playing at?  Chances are the single gtx670 or the 680, which is about the same, will not play the most intense games on ultra settings.  For that you'd need a sli, 2x gtx 670 setup.  With the config above you can easily add another if budget allows.
 
 
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  Quote belaflek73 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jun 2012 at 12:52pm
My monitor is 24" at 1920x1200 resolution.

Probably the most intensive game I have is Microsoft Flight Simulator X.  I really want to be able to play this on ultra settings.  I never considered having 2 graphics cards and I really don't want to due to budget concerns.

Is 800 watts enough if I want to add a second graphics card in the future?  Also, if I did have 2 graphics card do they have to be identical?

Thanks for the help
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jun 2012 at 2:33pm
FSX from what other forums members have said is a verry demanding game.   For smooth gameplay on Ultra settings you will need sli, 2x gtx 670. The 800w psu will handle it but doesn' t leave alot of headroom for future needs or when a psu degrades a bit over time.   We always recommend the 1050hx if bhdget allows. For sli you do need identical cards.     You could always try one card and add another later if needed. It is a simple task.
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  Quote Asangard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jun 2012 at 4:08pm
Hi belaflek73 and welcome,
 
 
In the gaming section the Blue highlight is a single GTX670 and the Green highlight is 2 GTX 670s in SLI.  Obviously you will want to look at the charts for your 1920 x 1200 resolution.  This reveiw covers lots of games but not FSX, but should give you a good idea of what to expect from a single GTX 670 vs 2 GTX 670s in sli. 
 
Good luck and I hope this helps.
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  Quote belaflek73 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 9:02am
Excellent.  Thanks for the great responses.  I guess I'll go with a 1020 power supply with future plans on getting another geforce 670 for an sli configuration.  Would that be easy for me to install myself?  This is my new build...please comment.

Also as far as cases go, I read that aluminum is good for temperature conduction.  Other than that I have no idea what's good or bad.


http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=701974

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Corsair Obsidian 550D
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 3770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) (Requires Z77 Motherboard)
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE (Intel Z77 Chipset) (Higher Overclocks and Unique Wi-Fi Features)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: Force GT Series CSSD-F120GBGT-BK) (SATA 6Gbps)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: ASUS Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs) (Model: BC-12B1ST)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2GB (Includes PhysX)
Add-on Card: USB 3.0 4-Port PCI Express Card
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex 120mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (High-Performance Edition)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard)
Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

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  Quote FrankW Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 9:46am
Hi belaflek73,

that is a good build but here are some thoughts.

1. You have the wrong CPU cooler your want the Stage-2 240mm rads, not the 120mm rad. You are going with stage-2 OC and I would want the 240 rad. The case you have chosen does not have great air flow with the standard fans.

2. From the stand point of performance you have picked a poor case with standard fans. The HAF-X has much better air flow and is quieter. If you add the additional fans you need to make the 550D case work with air cooled GPUs, it will be noisy. The standard case doesn't have a side fan that blows directly on the GPUs. I think OCing the GPUs is a mistake for most people but with no side fan you definitely shouldn't do it. My recommendation is to go with the HAF-X or at least add one or two 120mm fans to the side of the 550D. They will be noisy but will help cool the GPUs. Just to be clear, I wouldn't OC the GPUs.

3. Don't boost the OS. They disable Win-7 features they think you don't need. I prefer to make those decisions my self. Get your computer working and try all the features of Win-7 and then you can disable what you don't want. If they do it you might not be able to find something you want to use.

Frank

Edited by FrankW - 24 Jun 2012 at 1:03pm
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 10:05am
Yep, everything Frank said ...and just to add....If you stick with the Hafx case you could go with an air cooler, the Noctua d14 for tops in dependability.  The Vortex 240 works very good but the d14 leaves little to go wrong.
 
If you stick with the 550D then the 240mm Vortex as Frank and Astrotechnics suggested would be great.  DS would mount it to the top and its two fans will help where the case has no fans for cooling.  
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  Quote belaflek73 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 11:23am
Is the HAF-X case the Black Ops Hailstorm Edition case?

I won't OC the GPU and assuming I go with the HAF-X case with future plans of having 2 geforce 670's in sli config.....should I go with the Noctua d14 or the Vortex 240mm?
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  Quote belaflek73 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 11:25am
Should I do any chassis mods or upgrade the chassis airflow?  I want to keep things cool but I don't want my computer to sound like an airplane taking off either.

Thanks
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 11:59am
The HafX case is under Special Ops, Dreadnought.   Astrotechnics config #701617
will take you there or just start from scratch in Special Ops, Dreadnought, level 2, I believe.
 
You don't need any chassis/fan upgrades.   The HafX is great as-is and it's large,
 slow moving fans are relatively quiet. If you compare the specs on the HafX, like front 230mm fan and side and top 200mm fans you see why we always recommend it first.  That side fan will blow fresh air directly onto the graphic cards.
 
The Noctua D14 is tops in reliability because its a big block of metal fins, but the 240mm Vortex is also very good, just has a more that can go wrong.  Its track record is decent so you probably wouldn't have a problem.   I go for dependability whenever there's a choice.  Just me.Big%20Smile
 
 
 


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  Quote belaflek73 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 12:18pm
Damn it everytime I do a new build that price tag keeps going up...haha.  Well after what I've heard this is my latest build idea.  My price limit is $3000 so I'm pretty much maxed out with this build.  Any thoughts on the noise this system will put out?

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=702010


Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 3770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) (Requires Z77 Motherboard)
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE (Intel Z77 Chipset) (Higher Overclocks and Unique Wi-Fi Features)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: Force GT Series CSSD-F120GBGT-BK) (SATA 6Gbps)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: ASUS Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs) (Model: BC-12B1ST)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2GB (Includes PhysX)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Extreme Performance
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

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  Quote FrankW Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 12:39pm
That is a sweet build. Don't forget the free T-Shirt.

The HAF-X case has big, slow moving fans and the noise is not bad at all. The most noise will be while gaming and you won't notice it under fire.

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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 12:43pm
Nice.   Real nice. Congrats.
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  Quote belaflek73 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 2:36pm
Excellent!  Now how can I convince my wife that I NEED this?

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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 2:49pm
Simple.   Tell her if you ever get stuck on a flight and the pilot and co- pilot get incapacitated, FSX and this DS rig will have taught you to land safely.     It's a life or death decision.           Or....a couple of glasses of wine.    40 years of marriage is great experience.
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  Quote belaflek73 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2012 at 5:23am
Haha good idea, maybe I can get her to start calling me Captain too. Thanks bpratt, Frank, and others for all the prompt answers this forum is really good.
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  Quote Astrotechnics Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2012 at 6:34am
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