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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 2:50am
the difference starts at 1900 x 1200 for most games.

I'm still waiting for you to show us how to use it, I'm sure sarah is dying to know.

As I mentioned blizzard says that wow does not support sli not because of any inherent problems from sli but becasue when wow came out there was no sli, so its not a matter of sli problems, its a matter it just plain old does not support sli.

still waiting on your directions on how to make wow use sli, funny cause 99% if the people here and on wow forums swear that they can't use sli.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 3:22am
also I figured out why anadtech has 5870 higher then 295, its a AA and AF, over 4x aa and some AF, 295 beats 5870:



















so it has nothing to do with setuping Catalyst or anything like that, just give it 4x aa or higher and 8x af or higher and 5870 is beat.

Look at all those sites pretty much showing the same thing, 295 beating 5870.


Just to clarify, I'm not saying its not a powerful single card, the 5870 is very powerful, I just thought it would be more powerful then the 295, the 300gt is going to be more powerful then the 295.

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  Quote Sneakerz Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 8:45am
You have to remember that the 5870 is a single card. Just like justin.kerr said, you need to compare apples to apples.
 
You want to compare the GTX 295? Fine, a GTX 275 is half of a GTX295.
 
Compare the 5870 vs GTX 275 for a better comparison. If you want to compare the 5870vs the GTX295 wait for 5870X2 it's only fair.
 
I'm not a fanboy of either side, I want whats best for my money. I will admit, and things have not changed for awhile.
 
If you are going strictly for performance/fps, go with Nvidia they will always be on top.
 
If you want image quality and a card with a little less performance, go with ATI.


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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 2:40pm
we were just discussing the 5870 performance, then I stated that I was disappointed that the 5870 did not beat the 295 since the 300gt will, then people started saying that the 5870 does beat the 295 and here we are, so I'm not comparing single cards and etc, I'm just showing that it does not beat the 295.

haveing said that at the end of the day its price vs performance, and as I stated 5870 has the best price vs performance but before oct that will change, since 2 x 275 beats the 5870, nvidia will drop the price on 275 and then for the same price range you can get 2 x 275 for better performance, they will do this to compete with ati till the 300gt line comes out and then at that point nvidia will have the most powerful single card also.

right now the price differenc between 2 x 275 and 5870 is only around $30, that will change soon.

again none of this is to say that the 5870 is not a powerful signle card, cause it is, I was just expecting more.

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  Quote EVE Hell Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 3:22pm
Holding the HD5870x2,that would be powerful,but more expensive.Anyway,we have waiting for GT300 for long time,when will it cames??Who knows???????I heard that was some problems on production efficiency,is that???
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 3:27pm
no problems or anything, they are due out jan-feb just like the 280 and 295 gtx.

I will bet any money you like that come jan - feb nvidia will have the fastest card out.

Nvidia from the beginning said that it would be out in H1 of 2010 so I'm not sure who has been waiting, we have all talked about it for a while that for sure.

for me for a $30 difference I rather go with 2 x 275 for higher performance, for games that don't support sli tho the 5870 would be better for now till nvidia drops their card.


I just read that the 300gt is taped out and should be out around nov - dec for the first round of cards.
ya those internal sli/cf cards coming out in the next 5 months from both sides are gonna be very powerful.

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  Quote EVE Hell Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 3:37pm
I'm following NV for about 6 years,never get disappionted.Looking on next few months~maybe we can get some surpris~
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nothing to do but wait, no matter what tho, we have some great gpus coming our way from both sides
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  Quote EVE Hell Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 3:49pm
But one thing,I wish they could reduce some power consumption in next monter cards,I paid ¥1100 last month for electro...About $150+,that was too much in China.
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  Quote EdH63 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 4:00pm
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But one thing,I wish they could reduce some power consumption in next monter cards,I paid ¥1100 last month for electro...About $150+,that was too much in China.


The PC wasn't the only thing plugged into the wall, correct?  So, how much juice do you think the PC alone consumed for the month? 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 4:03pm
well the 5870 does consume lower power so hopefully they all the new cards will follow that pattern, they are suppose to from the info I have been reading so let see but ya please take performance up and power consumption down
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  Quote EVE Hell Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 4:11pm
I think about 2/3,lots of time I turned it on for 24h to download some movies,softwares or some online games.Maybe that was my problem,but my PC is the most big electro user indeed.Star
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I was reading one of the reviews and I can't remember which one exactly but it was stated that the Nvidia GT300 series is pretty much going to wipe the floor up with ATI.
 
as DST stated, 2010 will be a great year for GPU's and us as the consumers =). Can't wait to see what happens.
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I am still glad that I got the 295 when I did.  It seems to still be top of the line even months after I bought it.  Since I am running 1920x1200 I think the 295 will just be fine for the future.
 
I guess the DX11 is something that I will just not be able to enjoy unless that can be an add on some day but I am not sure if that can be done.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 2:15pm
to enjoy Dx11 you will need a dx11 card, but I think your 295 should do you fine for the next 2 years and by that time there will be a new version of dx and more powerful cards, you could upgrade then if you see the need.
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DX10 has not even hit its true potential. I think there is only a total of 33 games that use DX10.
 
It's going to be awhile until game developers even start using DX11 so your 295 should last you quite a long time.
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  Quote jean luc picard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Sep 2009 at 1:07pm
This by far was a very interesting topic to read.I think ATI put out a nice line of game cards for a good price.Im waiting on nvidia because i know nvidia will wipe the floor with ati performance wise.The thing that really scares me is that we all know the 300 series will be very expensive.Alot more then what ati is asking.So my question is at what point in time will the 300 series come down to a more reasonable(affordable)price?Right now i have dual gtx 275's in sli and im very pleased with the performance i get with a 1920/1080 screen rez at 23 inches .When the time comes i will probally go sli again with the cheaper of the 300 series but not neccasarily the cheapest of the bunch.I live in an apartment with limited space so i cant get a bigger desk for my pc setup then i already have.And i can only fit a 23 inch monitor on my desk.My question is will they make 23 inch monitors for next year with alot more rez then what i have now?Because it only makes sence to me that if im going to get new game cards that will be twice as good(possably better then twice as good)that i should invest in a monitor with way better rez and have the over all gaming pleasure expieriance.
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  Quote Sneakerz Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Sep 2009 at 4:31pm
I would wait a little bit after the 300 series comes out. Depending on how well they perform, ATI will adjust their prices lower to compete with Nvidia's performance at which point Nvidia will have to drop their prices to compete with ATI.
 
If Nvidia is charging say $400 for the middle class card and ATI drops the price of the 5870 to $300 Nvidia is going to have to drop to stay in competiton otherwise everyone will just buy ATI because its price/performance.
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I don't think the prices are gonna be that much different, yes it probably will be a little higher but it will also be more powerful.

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Let's not count our chickens before they're hatched. Obviously the 300 series is gonna be big, but you don't know what ATI has in store either. This was just the first of the new cards, most likely pushed out so that they could take advantage of the holiday season.

Don't forget that ATI used to be better than nvidia also. Nothing is set in stone with this sort of stuff, so no matter how good nvidias e-peen tastes we shouldn't get too ahead of ourselves.
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ATI was good before amd took them, obviously nvidia will respond with better cards, thats a given based on recent past history, and the cards coming out in nov - dec are just gonna be the first round also, Nvidia has made it very clear that it wants to have the highest performance in the market, it does now and I have no reason to think or see that it won't in 2010, specially after seeing how the 5870 is performing.
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  Quote shsredneck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Sep 2009 at 10:44pm
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ATI was good before amd took them, obviously nvidia will respond with better cards, thats a given based on recent past history, and the cards coming out in nov - dec are just gonna be the first round also, Nvidia has made it very clear that it wants to have the highest performance in the market, it does now and I have no reason to think or see that it won't in 2010, specially after seeing how the 5870 is performing.


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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Sep 2009 at 2:56am
no he is a cool guy, I think once I figured out the difference of why anadtech had 5870 doing better was because of the aa and af settings, there was no reason to argue anymore, but justin is a cool guy, I would not think he would ever lie about things like that, he wasn't in this case, it was the aa and af settings.

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I don't know what you felt I lied about. ? I let people know when the card would be available 2 ,months in advance, I was off a day or 2?  I said that ATI was aiming for GTX 295 performance, but until the drivers mature, performance will be slightly less, on average. I said that  the price would be $349.00 but there will be price gouging at first.
 I gave out a lot of "inside" info  to try to help people decide on what is coming, but if you want exact dates, performance numbers months in advance, then I just won't post any future info, because it  is  impossible. 
 
None of that is inaccurate. Plus if you count Dx11 games, lol only one available for testing now, but the 5870 takes a commanding lead.  Also I look at the potential in a card, I know that the majority do not look at it that way, so  my view may be skewed a bit... The 5870 has shown a solid 38% improvement with overclocking, the GTX 295 cannot achieve that do to poor voltage regs...Unless you want to de-solder half the board and replace the crap  parts. lol  which some have..
 
As for the Nvidia 300, I cannot give any "inside" info, because I don't know anymore than what I have said in other posts here, but I doubt that in Dx9 and 10 games that the 380 will  double the 285, so the 300 series is going to be very powerful, with better frame rates than the 5870, and edging out the 5890.
 
I also want to state that I am have no preference as to ATI or Nvidia, I buy the cards that seem like the best for me. 9 Nvidia cards in my house, and 4 ATI currently. lol
 
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We know you are not a lier justin no need to explain, you are a well respected member here.

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looks like it, both of us work out of our home offices, but for her to get the promotion she wants, she has to be closer to the South, so, looking like Southlake Texas will be our new home... We are trying to get the house ready  for sale, painting, new flooring, all the little misc stuff...lol  
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I see, good luck on all of it, specially selling the house, what state are you located now?
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how is the housing market there?
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Decent, house prices are about 5% lower than 2 years ago, but as long as the home is priced right, with no problems they are still selling quick, except for the 500K and up, they are sluggish here.
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Ok then, that is good news
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Maximum PC rated this card the best single video card available.  That's why I chose it for my system(due to be delivered this week).  Maximum PC is not GOD but I have come to trust their opinions.
 
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  Quote BriSleep Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 11:27pm
Have any of you actually seen tessaltion in person? I saw it. I've only run one ATI board in my life but my new system is coming with the 5870, but only one 5870. If Nvidia comes out and beats ATI in the spring, I'll probably switch but for now I really want tessalation.
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