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Evga boards read about .5 low on the multi, just a glitch.

every chip will need different amounts of voltages to be stable at a given speed.
I for one would never do a low B clock overclock, but I also want all the performance I can get. lol
 
there already are a ton of dead 980x's.. this is a smaller 32nm architecture, and people are roasting these little guys left and right.
 
I will put my 980x into the Drunken Monkey today, if it works, lol it was a returned "bad" CPU I got for very cheap, so hoping that it was returned because the person did not have a new enough BIOS to run it... but I also might have a dead CPU on my hands. lol
 
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OK so at 33 x 134 DST4ME and I are really running at 4422 inspite of what the MoBo reads?
 
While every chip indeed is different, I do think it likely that DST4ME can lower his V-core and the he should certainly attempt to. I fear his won't last to long at his high voltage.
 
Justin, you aren't a fan of low Bclk OC's... do you think I should try something like 27 x 164 for mine (4428 MHz and my Ram will be 1640 so hopefully not too fast for stability).
 
Looking forward to your 980x results and if your chip is good, I hope to learn from them.
 
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I will not even think of ever having an overclock with less than a 200 B clock.. Ouch not even for my Grandmas E-mail PC.
 Unless you are benchmarking your PC, you will never notice the difference between a low B clock, and a high B clock system.
 
I doubt DST can lower his V core much, I imagine on a custom build like his, that there was a lot of time put into finding out how much V core he needs, and then add a couple clicks more just to make sure it is stable.
 
His BIOS is old, so maybe an Update there might help out a little bit with lowering the V core, but that QPI will fry his CPU before the high V core degrades it, and is not needed at all for that slow of RAM and that small amount of RAM. guys are running 2300 Mhz RAM with way less QPI VTT.
 
 
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Just as a heads up, the voltages are higher because the system would not pass LinX 150 times. It would pass LinX at 50 passes at lower voltages.

We had them lower before, but, slowly increasing them to fine tune a stable overclock resulted in those settings.
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@neilkaz, even tho I'm not as good as justin, I still know my way around stuff

I got the 5 year warranty for a reason
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Originally posted by DST4ME

@neilkaz, even tho I'm not as good as justin, I still know my way around stuff
I got the 5 year warranty for a reason
 
@DST4ME..oh yeah..I am most aware of your expertise here. If I decide to amp up my graphics and accessory capabilities in my next major buy from DS..likely when 8-cores come out, your recommendations will be taken very seriously. I also must thank you for your recommendation to go for the HAF932  for my build with Stage 4 cooling as I am pleased with the roomy nice looking tower and love my temps.
 
@Alex..if I were making a computer for someone, I'd also tap V-core a click or two higher to make 100% certain the user never had to worry about stability. I do stress that DST4ME's chip is using 81mV more V-core (lots) and 150mV more vtt (also lots) more than I am for the same overclock of 33 x 134. Then again, I know that I am on the threshold of stability since if I lower V-core even 1 click or raise OC speed at all, P95 errs after a few hours. That being said, I don't do anything to stress my CPU as hard as P95 and if I have any stability issues I can easily tap up V-core.
 
@Justin,Alex, and others.. there's much conflicting info out there about voltages and temps for the new i7-980X chip. Some people say it is just temps that fry the chip while others say that high V-core or high vtt also fries them. As I am trying to get the most of of my great DS system, I am most curious as to max V's and temps for 24/7. I also trust that my warranty is valid since I did my OC as instructed by DS and since my temps don't even hit 70C with my 24/7 apps.
 
Not trying to hijack and love DST4ME's system !!  .. neilkaz ..
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Understood.
 
I do want to comment, that after speaking with Steve (@Venom) he informed me that during the Folding @ Home tests, the higher voltages made the system perform better.
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the cpu burns out, its under warranty, they ship me another one, I drop in, eventuly I will see what I can do with it myself and maybe lower the oc in about 4 years if I need to.
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at those levels, and 24/7 folder, in 4 years I am guessing 8 CPU's,.want to take any bets.? Embarrassed
also when are you getting it? two weeks? lol

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in 4 years there better be more then 8, wait, are you saying cpus or cores?

I should have it by the 27th
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lol, I am guessing it will burn up 8 chips in that time
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lol well thats why you got to love DS and the warranty
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They are gonna need to make a 10 years warranty soon if DST4ME keeps burning up their parts
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LOL hold on, why you blaming me, they oced it I just got the warranty

I guess everybody should make their bets on the date they think its gonna bad

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100 dollars going once
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lol you have to name your date, and if it dies on your date, you win the pot.
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1000 dollars we have 1000 dollars ladies and Gentlemen. Going once, Goinge twice....
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Originally posted by DST4ME

LOL hold on, why you blaming me, they oced it I just got the warranty

I guess everybody should make their bets on the date they think its gonna bad
 
No bets from me, but I am certainly curious to see if your chip can take running that much V-core and Vtt 24/7 ! If so we all learn something and I will wish that I'd take my chip up to 1.45 V-core for 4.5 to 4.55Ghz 24/7 as things still aren't too hot, but as it is, I am playing it safe slightly slower with 1.4125 V-core.
 
At least with my 980X the ammount of V-core needed for stability really starts to rise exponentially above 4.4 Ghz.
 
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that is why I wanted to wait for the next stepping... it should overclock better, with less voltage.
I have degraded a few i7 chips, all of them were at around 1.45 V core, and I don't think that the 32nm chips will prove to handle voltage higher, but bench wise they do seem to respond to V core up to 1.9V
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LOL OK OK, we got it the first time, no need for you to repeat yourself 3 times

well I figure this chip will live as long as it can, but when its done (shortly) then I will get the new stepping, so you see it all works out

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wow triple post. lol
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Lol I saw triple and I got flashbacks from my 9 hour addictions to CS:S when I would kill 3 people and the game dude would say: Triple Kill Kill Kill
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I do wish to say that, if we end up replacing a customers processor more than twice, then it will raise a red flag as processors rarely go bad from our experience and we'll have to ensure the customer has less aggressive settings or else we won't constantly keep replacing the CPU. I'm sure that makes general sense, but, I wanted to ensure we're all on the same level.
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lol well as long as its within stage 3 level oc , besides I agree with justin, the next gen should do better.

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well got there, of course I'm not there, but my cousin says it won't post, he talked to venom, and he thinks its the cpu after some testing/trouble shooting, so I asked them to over night the cpu today and my cousin will drop it in and hopefully that will do it, but my cousin couldn't stop raving about it, can't wait to see it myself

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what BIOS?   won't post at all? let it set a few min, then will it shut off?
so on to CPU #2.. my guess is going to come true
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don't even know, whatever bios was listed on update was:

Motherboard BIOS: SZ6250

from what my cousin saya, pc turns on, fans run, LC is working but he says there is nothing on the monitor.

as for the cpu, it never even got turned on to burn the cpu, so this one is from shipping.
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the old BIOS has a cold boot issue. Hit the power button and nothing for a few min, then it would restart, and go to default. matters how long he waited lol... did he say what BOOT code was displayed?
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From what I know it goes to FF after a certain code... Which from my understanding is that it successfully posted...?

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it goes thru the codes, gets stuck on 25 for like 10 or 20 seconds then goes to ff.

the power on the case power switch goes off, but the fans and etc would be still running.

from what I understand ff means its not able to go past the point of checking the cpu/ram/etc.
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FF code. lol you both are correct.. if it goes to FF right away, then it is lacking power to MOBO, CPU fried, mobo fried.. but FF later means all is good.
did he re-seat the RAM?
I can't imagine the CPU getting hurt in transit, re- seat things and maybe have to clear the CMOS.
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I agree with justin.kerr to be honest.
 
I doubt the system is damaged, even if the wooden crate appears to be damaged because everyhing inside the system is screwed in or secured with latches. In addition, we did place a lot of internal packaging to provide extra protection. In addition, we created a custom foam mold for the entire exterior of the chassis which further added to the protection.
 
I feel it's either a loose memory stick or the BIOS needs to be re-set.
 
From what @Venom told me when he was working with DST4ME's friend/relative they couldn't figure it out. Perhaps DST4ME should wait until he gets back to his place to actually try troubleshooting the system?
 
If the system does come back to us, it will take a week to arrive back, and then a week for us to work on and even longer during testing and then another week in shipping it back...
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