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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 3:54pm
well, some good news and some bad news. lol
good news, those temps are incredible!! very very nice!!!
bad news your G-flops are at about 1/2 of what they should be so only stressing 1/2 the potential load..  Did you install my Linx, or DST's?? his has the old algorithms, and won't stress the 6 cores..
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  Quote JustMe007 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 4:05pm
Could you post more pics?

And a top shot?

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 4:31pm
Originally posted by MagiK

yes it is.  They are all Zalman so noisy as heck.  I may replace the easily accessible fans with GT's or something similar.


I got 15 fans my self, I got 8 140mm xigmatech fans and the rest are the same brand but 120mm, I can barely hear them, now the zalmans I have in the other pc, I can easily hear.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 4:35pm
Originally posted by justin.kerr

well, some good news and some bad news. lol
good news, those temps are incredible!! very very nice!!!

bad news your G-flops are at about 1/2 of what they should be so only stressing 1/2 the potential load..  Did you install my Linx, or DST's?? his has the old algorithms, and won't stress the 6 cores..

I think he is using the old algorithms for non 6 core CPUs. The system shipped here with GFLPS near the 80's.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 4:36pm
I would just slow the Zalmans down, once they are to a "quiet" level, they will have just a few CFM less flow than the GT's at the same noise level.
 
now lets get to the important stuff..  lets get them G-flops up where they should be and then check out the temps. Drooling
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 4:39pm
I used the link from Justin not the one from DST....so  my gig's are a bit floppy eh?

don't know why.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 4:53pm
@Magik, try this version: http://www.youwatched.com/datajay/linx(0.64).zip

Edited by Alex - 27 Dec 2010 at 4:53pm
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 5:03pm
Which Executable do I run?

One of the Linpack_xeon files or the LinX?

This basically looks like what I ran before.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 5:10pm
the one that says Linx
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 5:23pm
ok will run LinX with 20 runs when I go to bed tonight we shall see what we shall see.

for  now here are the last of the pics.






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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 5:26pm


This is the TEC's constant draw...about like leaving a blow dryer on all the time.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 5:30pm
thats a lot of power draw!
the Linx that Alex posted is older than the hills.. mine is current. Big%20Smile
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 5:32pm
Well   I ran yours and you saw what I got we will see if there is a difference.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 5:35pm
I get 98Gflops with the one I posted, @ 4.6Ghz.
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 5:41pm
So something is set wrong in my config or something isnt working properly...or Im botching the test somehow
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 5:44pm
when you run the test, do not make any adjustments, other than use max memory.  make sure no ther programs are running.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 6:03pm
Ya make sure nothing else is running, I got around 75gflops with 4.3GHz yesterday.

max temp was 70c on core 1. with reltmp

Edited by DST4ME - 27 Dec 2010 at 6:04pm
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 7:27pm
The system looks even better that I thought! I guess I got familiar with it's looks here at the facility and now that I saw it again, I'm blown away.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 7:37pm
It looks amazing but you guys should use a bigger version or just a bigger one from MM.
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  Quote Landaulet Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 7:49pm
Agreed; looks cramped.

Also would like to see a full sized acrylic window(s) on top
and side to see the horizontal motherboard & hardware.

Perhaps the Mountain Mods Ascension?


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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 8:37pm
A larger case would mean almost twice as much shipping costs for the end user. We have to balance providing a solution that is affordable to the average customer and is practical for us to ship. I agree a larger case would be nice. But hey, that's where special requests come in .
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 10:03pm
Originally posted by Landaulet


Agreed; looks cramped.Also would like to see a full sized acrylic window(s) on topand side to see the horizontal motherboard & hardware.Perhaps the Mountain Mods Ascension?


Crystal Ship Series of the Ascension is the best IMHO.

Alex why not add one of the Ascension to the config page as a choice.

how much of a difference in shipping would it be?
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 10:12pm
Well considering that shipping this thing cost about $400 before it had to go Overnight then it was about $800, not a lot of people want to pay that much for shipping.

Final LinX run:


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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Dec 2010 at 10:56pm
thats good but still you should be able to get higher then my 4.3GHz, lets see what justin can do
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 2:07am
Originally posted by DST4ME

Originally posted by Landaulet


Agreed; looks cramped.Also would like to see a full sized acrylic window(s) on topand side to see the horizontal motherboard & hardware.Perhaps the Mountain Mods Ascension?


Crystal Ship Series of the Ascension is the best IMHO.

Alex why not add one of the Ascension to the config page as a choice.

how much of a difference in shipping would it be?

It'll be perhaps $300-$400 more in just shipping... a larger case sets the package to a special FedEx or UPS package class and spikes the cost.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 2:09am
Originally posted by DST4ME

thats good but still you should be able to get higher then my 4.3GHz, lets see what justin can do

I honestly will say from experience that a higher CPU overclock doesn't really increase the GFLOP's that much. I've seen the memory bandwidth and timings make the improvements. DST4ME and MagiK should compare a raw CPU performance benchmark instead that isn't influenced by the other factors. You can't really make memory go any faster or quicker than how much both of you guys already have your machines at.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 2:34am
LOL I'm not trying to compare my pc to his in that manner, he has a higher oc and much better temps, he wins, lol.

Ok so $400 more for shipping, for high-end users that are dropping $8000 plus, its more important to have a comfortable case (easily maneuver and reach stuff), then extra $400, maybe thats just me, but I want a bigger case for sure, and I think it would be attractive to offer that, from a customer's point of view, it kinda separates you from the others, I mean you guys have already got a syndicate section with the ufo, the Ascension can be the Mercedes of the syndicate section.

I mean look at how beautiful the ufo looks, but it needs more room, I think nice Ascension case's picture loaded would have a great look from a marketing point of view.

I'm short in room in this 800D also, next one is gonna be MM for sure, I thinking the Ascension Crystal Ship with even more lights I wish haswell was gonna be here in 2011

I think Magik's case looks like a beautiful great beast

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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 3:00am
@DST4ME, sorry if you thought I was talking about comparing your system to his. Both of your systems are excellent!

I agree about the advantages of the Ascension and we'll look into offering it for future customers down the road soon enough.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 4:24am
Cool, look forward to it, get familiar with them, cause my next one is going into one of those
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 8:33am
Originally posted by Alex

Originally posted by DST4ME

thats good but still you should be able to get higher then my 4.3GHz, lets see what justin can do

I honestly will say from experience that a higher CPU overclock doesn't really increase the GFLOP's that much. I've seen the memory bandwidth and timings make the improvements. DST4ME and MagiK should compare a raw CPU performance benchmark instead that isn't influenced by the other factors. You can't really make memory go any faster or quicker than how much both of you guys already have your machines at.
G-flops and CPU speed should scale perfectly, although it can be more challenging as you increase CPU speed.
Saying that they can't make memory any faster is kind of silly, the Uncore is at 1.5x, at 2.5x there will be a decent rise in mem bandwidth. there is a lot of tedious small sub timings that can be adjusted, but that is lots of time for not much gain.
Testing raw CPU performance, like his Physics test of 3d mark11 shows pretty low performance IMHO,   over 50% less CPU power than one that has QPI speed higher, and Uncore higher.    Don't get me wrong, it is an awesome rig, and is very powerful, I am just saying it could be another 50% more powerful. Big%20Smile
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 8:39am
Once I get all settled in maybe you could help me figure out how to get that extra 50% Justin  Smile
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 9:46am
I am glad to help, the downer is all the damn time it takes to get the extra performance, which will show large improvement in benchmarks, but not in day to day normal usage.
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 10:01am
Not really looking for top benchmark scores, but I dont want easy config issues slowing me down either.

In a bit I think Ill work on capturing images of the various BIOS settings.
But today Im back at work and of course everything piled up over the Christmas break soooooooo
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Dec 2010 at 6:10pm
Originally posted by justin.kerr

I am just saying it could be another 50% more powerful. Big%20Smile

That sounds great! I would love to see how we can so I can pass this to our team.
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