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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 3:15am

Also, for everyone that that sent an email to be on the pre-order list, we'll ensure your order gets processed once it's placed. We do have your details on file to be checked against.

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  Quote RiceEatin2000GT Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 3:18am
thanx alex!
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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 9:13am
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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 10:35am
Looks like + $1,638 Sub Zero setup vs. regular LC for my setup (CPU + Dual GPU + Chipset).
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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 12:27pm
Alex when does the Mountain Mods case become available w/ Sub Zero cooling or does it?
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  Quote Sneakerz Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 12:32pm
^^ That's what I was wondering. You said it was going to be below $3k for the starting Sub-Zero liquid chilled system, that doesn't look to be the case Oops
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 12:34pm
It's within $900 of 3k  Hahaha  Whats a k here and there between friends?  LOL
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 12:55pm
Originally posted by wcboltman

Alex when does the Mountain Mods case become available w/ Sub Zero cooling or does it?

Not for a while. We're focusing this system on the HailStorm for now. Sorry.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 12:56pm
Originally posted by Sneakerz



^^ That's what I was wondering. You said it was going to be below $3k for the starting Sub-Zero liquid chilled system, that doesn't look to be the case Oops

That was the goal, but, it's a very complex and expensive system to build.
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 1:02pm
Perhaps over time the economy of scale will kick in.  Us early adopters will be paying a premium for this.Cool
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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 1:30pm
Going to be a loooonnnggg time before economies of scale kick in here!!  
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 1:39pm
you pessimist  Big%20Smile
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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 6:11pm
Alex the configurator pairs the 3 x 580s with the 1200W PSU.  The 1500W isn't necessary with that setup? 
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 7:43pm
I assume you mean the 'Syndicate' build? We just updated it with a Intel Xeon SR-2 config.
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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 8:34pm
No I was talking about the Sub Zero build.  You guys changed it, but originally the configurator had 3 x 580s paired w/ the AX1200 for the high end build.  I didn't think 1200W would be enough hp for all that gear, but doesn't really matter as I'll be going with 2 anyway!
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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 10:13pm
where's that freaking kickass review from some random custom PC oriented magazine? I mean seriously, we have ourselves here a crazy awesome TEC liquid chilling rig loaded with 580s, I wanna see what those reviewers at MaximumPC, PCMag, etc. have to say...Awesome

oh, and where exactly did you guys put your TEC units...I can't seem to figure it out, lol. it's not directly on the water block itself, right? since otherwise, wouldn't the liquid temperature be a lot higher..?


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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 10:24pm
they are using the TEC(s) to chill the fluid, not a direct mount setup.
if you want to know the location of the TEC(s) just follow the CPU tubing. Big%20Smile

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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 10:28pm
Press reviews will come out after some time. We just built the system.

The system chills the fluid which then goes to the CPU. We may incorporate different versions later.

The TEC aspect of the system is separated from the main section of the chassis. It's located in the bottom compartment.
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  Quote Sneakerz Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Nov 2010 at 2:57am
Originally posted by MagiK

It's within $900 of 3k  Hahaha  Whats a k here and there between friends?  LOL
 
haha its getting the point of reason across the wife and having her sign off on it. I have the money, but she doesn't understand the point of a computer costing over $3k.
 
If I want to live out the rest of my days enjoying a computer I paid for, its best not to anger her. LOL
 
They never give out directions or warning labels when you get married, this is a serious flaw in our government.
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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 12:28am
Looking forward to seeing this thing own the press reviews.
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  Quote pritt Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 6:11pm
The truth, the team is simply spectacular ... but:

- What have the power or peltier to cool the entire system?

- I see the isolation in the CPU and I feel totally inadequate.

- But also do not see any type of insulation in the rest of components such as VGA cards and even their own hoses.

- Is there a system to prevent condensation?

- What source is capable of withstanding the full power of the device plus or peltier?

- In the video, it appears that the liquid is -1.23 ┬║ C, how can a CPU core reaches -9 ┬░ C?

- With the OC and that temperature, what temperature reaches the computer passing a wPrime 1024?

A greeting.

PS: Sorry for my grammatical errors, but my English is not fluent.

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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 6:16pm
1. There is a separate power cable that needs to be connected to the system which powers the petlier array.
 
2. From our testing, it does a great job. (We're only chilling the processor, not the video cards or chipset, they are getting regular liquid cooling treatment).
 
3. I hope my response above answers that question.
 
4. Yes, we're using a special foam material which we place on the CPU socket and water block.
 
5. I'm sorry I was unable to understand this question properly?
 
6. The fluid temp sensor may not be reading the temperature accurately since it's below 0' c.
 
7. At 4.6Ghz+ I remember the CPU cores around the 40'c range.
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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 7:04pm
I thought the video cards and chipset were also getting the chilled liquid?
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  Quote pritt Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 7:07pm
I do not quite understand.

Are there two separate water cooling circuits, one for the CPU and another for the rest?

Or is that the CPU directly cooled peltier?

I have not responded to what has the peltier power (W)?

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  Quote NoDs212 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 8:28pm

Alex,

I don't mean to forum hop but I noticed on another thread you mentioned that this cooling option would be available with the just the cooling system and case for those building or have already built there systems. Is this still an option? If so what are the prices?
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2010 at 8:42pm

@wcboltman, as of right now it is just the processor.

@pritt, yes, they are separate loops within the system. Each peltier is 250w of power and it can pull up to 750w on full power.

@NoDs212, no problem. You'll need to contact me directly on this, please email me: Management@digitalstormonline.com

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So, from what I understand, there is a cooling circuit for 3 Peltiers 250 W (750 W) refriegera the CPU and another independent 3 VGAs more chipset cooling.

... but I only see a tank.

... 750 W and those cold, do not produce condensation on the pipes?

In total is about 300 W from the CPU, plus 750 W of the peltier, 1050 W dissipate.

Also assuming only 2 GTX 580 + chipsets, would be another 244 x 2 + about 100 W, 988 W.

Not counting any other component would be about 2000 W of heat to dissipate "with only two doubles and one single radiator?

... and the PSU of only 1200 W, how will feed the whole team?

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  Quote Rafa91 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 10:48am
Hello,

@pritt

If I have not missunderstood the previous posts from Alex, the peltiers are powered indepently.

@Alex

But the problem of the condensation is still there. I cannot understand how there is no condensation in the tubing if the fluid runnig inside is below ambient temperature.

Also, as pritt says, I think that there is too much heat to disipate only with those radiators.

A last thing, you are selling a computer with sub-zero cooling which fluid temp sensor does not read properly sub-zero temperatures?

Apart from this "problems" I think it's a great machine

Regards

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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 12:06pm
Maximum possible heat generation and dissipation is not the same thing as actual heat production.  In any event it seems to work for them in testing so I am not expecting heat issues with my rig when I get it.  (You do have to sign a thing about knowing that you can't stick this thing into a place with an ambient temperature of 110 degrees and expect to get the cooling results you want.)

I think the recommended ambient temp is between 71 and 75 degrees
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 1:03pm
@pritt, there are two additional small reservoirs that have been insulated behind the panel on the PC. The pipes on the back do develop condensation and they are insulated by us. The system has a total of three radiators (1x Triple 120mm, 1x Dual 120mm, and 1x 120mm) and they are more than enough to handle the heat load. The system has two separate power delivery units, one for the computer components, and one for the cooling system.

@Rafa91, I made a response to the condensation situation above. The temp sensor is being calibrated by us, and that isn't really a problem as it does not reduce or hamper the performance of the cooling system.
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  Quote pritt Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 4:08pm
Well, go along.

What PSU is used for Peltiers?

Could detailed photos of the entire system?

I just balance the issue of condensation on the pipes: Although isolate those behind what about the front?

We speak of temperatures below 0 ┬║: If these temperatures are real CPU tubes necessarily have to produce condensation.

In the area where I have seen you round a room temperature of 10 to 15 degrees in winter and 30 - 35 ┬║ in summer, with humidity above 70% for most of the year.

If I decide to make a purchase, do you guarantee these temperatures and that there would be no condensation?

... and I still seem small area for so many watts dissipation.

A greeting and thanks for all the information it provides, as it did not at all clear.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 4:14pm
It's a computer power supply, and we're using the 12v rail. I don't have photos that showcase the inner workings at this time. The front/inside of the system has a special process which stops condensation on the tubes from forming. If your room temp is between 70-75 degrees, the processor will idle below 0'c.
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  Quote maxyme Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 6:00pm
thats so awesome lol but i'll never have even close to the amount of money for it.
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  Quote pritt Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2010 at 9:25pm
Originally posted by Alex

The front/inside of the system has a special process which stops condensation on the tubes from forming..


A special system?

Could you describe it?

I think this may be the kit of the question.

Of course I know of no system that can do what it says.

Moreover, considering the system itself, what sense does the chilled?

It would make sense if cooled more components, but only CPU cooling, is not an unnecessary waste of energy? Would not it be less problematic Peltiers install directly on the CPU?

... less problematic and, of course, much safer, because it gives me no explanation of the "system special", I can not prevent condensation on pipes.


Greetings.

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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 12:16am
@pritt,

I can't describe how the process works because it's something we worked out over months of testing. I assure you that the system will not develop condensation, and we would be more worried than you because we're the ones offering a warranty on this product.

Placing peltier's directly on the CPU is a great idea, but, to achieve the power we have our system, you don't have enough surface area to mount all of the peltier's.
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