Any help is appreciated with this configPost Date: 2012-05-14 |
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z3r0 
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Hey all,
Instead of upgrading my current rig, I decided to try and just get one, from DSO. Budget around 3,500 Monitor (1920x1080 HD) keyboard, mouse and other accessories exist from previous build. Use: gaming at decently high settings, office, internet, minimal photo/video, storage is usually on external so not on issue. What I'm thinking is: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 3930K 3.2GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Six-Core) Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth X79 (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s) System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1000W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (240GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 520 Series) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition) Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2GB (Includes PhysX) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H100 Liquid CPU Cooler (240mm Radiator) (Extreme-Performance Edition) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Standard Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 Automatic Overclocking Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD) Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty It comes just under 3,500. I don't understand why on a x79 mobo, with quad channel memory, there is no option to use it. No 8x2 or 8x4 is available, and while I acknowledge it is likely overkill, I kind of like to test the quad capability of it... Any thoughts? |
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FrankW
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 4:45am |
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Hi z3ro,
Here is an alternative build for a few hundred less. It will do everything you want to do. Frank Configuration: 688439 Cost: $3142 Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 3770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) (Requires Z77 Motherboard) Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE (Intel Z77 Chipset) (Higher Overclocks and Unique Wi-Fi Features) System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (180GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 520 Series) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition) Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2GB (Includes PhysX) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Phanteks PH-TC14PE Extreme Performance H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard) Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty |
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z3r0
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 6:47am |
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Thanks.
The only reason I chose the hexcore and the x79 board is the quad channel memory. Does anyone have any experience with that?
Other than that, I agree your suggestions are all valid.
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FrankW
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 7:11am |
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From your comments, I don't see where there would be any advantage to quad channel memory. You didn't list anything that would require the X79 format. You did say you wanted to experiment with it and if you want to pay the extra money for X79, then that is your choice.
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CONWON
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 8:13am |
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I don't know about the benefits to quad channel memory but if you use 3rd Gen Intel you can utilize PCIe 3.0 which doubles the throughput of your GPU. 688468 is the config I built which went off of Franks build. I was able to get the GTX 690 and upgrade to the 8GB "Ultimate" memory selection. The GTX 690 is like running dual 680s instead of the dual 670s you had. If you use the 22nm CPU and a single GPU then you can lower the PSU along with the cooling system. Price for my config is $3,388.00**Edit: sorry didn't realize you were dead set on quad channel memory. Please disregard my post except the part about 3rd Gen Intel and PCIe 3.0. I don't know which is better but I'm going to look into it because this could save me a bunch of money on my next build.
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z3r0
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 8:54am |
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CONWON,
The GTX 690 performance is actually nearly identical to the dual 670 or for that matter the dual 680. Power req is lower, I agree (at about 300w TDP) so you would save on the PSU but man, at close to $1K that is a premium just not worth it.
I think I got fixated on the x79 maybe because when I started to research my build it seemed the only mobo that offered PCIe 3.0. From going over many posts here I get that the Ivy has the same mobo options available. I don't plan to OC, since stability would be my main concern.
Would you think an SLI 670 would be adequately cooled in either the HAF or the Hailstorm 880d by airflow? I'd hate to start modding the case to add fans. I think the HAF has a fan just over the GPUs if I remember correctly...
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z3r0
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 9:04am |
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Also, checking the power reqs, the 690 uses 413 full load, the 670SLI 430 and the 680SLI something luke 450w. It is $500 more than the 670 SLI and I don't see significant power savings.
I see you all appear to favor the HAF cases. Are they so much better at air cooling than the rest? The looks are, well, >>>>> lack of better words.
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Asangard
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 9:11am |
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Hi z3r0
The HAF X is the best case for air cooling and yes it has a side 200mm fan that blows air directly on the graphics cards. So no worries there. It comes with a front 230mm fan, the side fan as mentioned, a 140mm rear fan and a 200mm top fan. There is room for a 2nd 200mm fan at the top of the case. Some like to add the 2nd fan at the top. |
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CONWON
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 9:17am |
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I only made my build off of franks. I just love to say stuff like "I have the fastest GPU on the planet" when talking to people about my computer so I changed around franks build with that mindset. Sorry not very useful to you i will rework and repost if needed.
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z3r0
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 9:57am |
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I really DO appreciate all comments. I am leaning now more towards a compromise between my original config and Frank's
Edited by z3r0 - 15 May 2012 at 10:12am |
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Asangard
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 10:08am |
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Hi z3r0
All 3 of the Z77 motherboards listed in the configuration section have 3.0 PCIe slots. Click on "more info" then look in Multiple GPU Support under specifications. The LX doesn't support crossfire/SLI but the Deluxe and the Sabertooth do support crossfire/SLI. |
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z3r0
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 10:13am |
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I know. After I looked them up again, I edited my post, but I guess you beat me to it.
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 10:23am |
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Yes, the Z77 mobo's with the Ivy Bridge cpu( i7-3770k for example) and a pcie.3.0 card like gtx680/670 are fully pcie 3.0 compliant with the full bandwidth that goes with it.
The sli gtx 670 that Frank showed in his config will give you almost the same perfromance as the sindle gtx690. For your single monitor you'll never see the difference. Plus the 690 will dump half of its heat into the case and the other half out the back. The sli 670's will dump most of their heat out the back, making case cooling easier. The hafx case is the best so we always recommend it but others will get the job done if you just can't see getting it. Especially with the 670's low thermals the 600T, 650D and 500R aren't all that bad. The HafX is still tops with airflow and that's what a case is all about. Good Luck. Tough decisions. |
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CONWON
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 10:35am |
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What's the reason the dual 670s throw there heat out the back? Is it due to them being so close to each other? Or some other reason?
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 10:56am |
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The card's backplate, where the dvi, etc connectors are, also has exhaust ports to get the heat out . A fan on one side of the card sucks in air from the case, sends it over the heat sink, etc and right out the back. That's another reason to make sure case airflow is good, so cooler air used for cooling.
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CONWON
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 11:17am |
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That doesn't answer my question...the 690 has exhaust ports out the back just like the 670. You said that the two 670s would make case cooling easier. This doesn't make any sense! One card will always be easier than two.****Edit**** I guess I didn't really ask the right question. You said that the 670s would be "easier" to keep cold because they would send "most of there heat out the back", while the 690 would only send "half its heat out the back and the other half into the case". I don't understand why the 670s would be "easier" than the 690.
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FrankW
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Posted: 15 May 2012 at 11:37am |
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Hi Conwon,
The 690 has to GPU cards mounter on one frame. The back GPU dumps its heat out the back panel. The front GPU dumps its heat directly into the case. It doesn't have access to the back panel. If you are going just two GPUs in SLI than two 670/680 are a better choice. Frank |
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