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Currently being showcased to some lucky few at QuakeCon, AMD's Evergreen family of DirectX 11-supporting graphics cards will finally make its debut next month. According to the reddish slide below the Sunnyvale-based company launch its first DX11 hardware on Thursday, September 10, more than a month before the commercial release of the DirectX 11-equipped Windows 7.

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UH OH,the sh*t's gonna hit the fan now.Let's wait when they go on sale,and see what kind of customer feed back we get during the first few month's.
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  Quote Hokinabru Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Aug 2009 at 3:24pm
Lets see what Nvidia has to say :D
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Aug 2009 at 3:54pm
LOL you guys should watch and see what game will use it to begin with
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  Quote Hokinabru Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Aug 2009 at 3:55pm
leme guess... Crytek engine 3 ? lol!
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  Quote Zardoz8719 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Aug 2009 at 11:33am
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LOL you guys should watch and see what game will use it to begin with


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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Aug 2009 at 2:15pm
I don't understand? All games will use it? 2 5870x2's will not max out arma 2, and there are other games out  that 1 5870x2 will not max out, and several soon to be released games that again 2 5870 x 2 will not max out.
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  Quote skyR Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Aug 2009 at 7:02pm
Regardless if games support it or not, the hardware will still give you major improvements in FPS. Rumor has it that these cards will be using a 384-bit memory bus and is expected to launch with a $249 - $399 price tag.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Aug 2009 at 7:43pm
the 5870 $250-$399 ? that will cover it. lol not the 5870x2 though
 
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  Quote skyR Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Aug 2009 at 8:28pm
I'm not sure what makes you think the 5870X2 is being released in September... Nvidia the one that goes from big to small. AMD goes from small to big.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Aug 2009 at 9:00pm
 I never said that this was anything more than just a paper launch, so don't take it that I said that either ATI card would be a hard launch in early Sept.
And Nvidia did not do the dual cards with the 200 series first, it was one of the last cards to come out, and ATI came out with the 4870x2 very early. Not saying that this series will go the same. lol
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  Quote Zardoz8719 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Aug 2009 at 6:45am
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Originally posted by skyR

Regardless if games support it or not, the hardware will still give you major improvements in FPS. Rumor has it that these cards will be using a 384-bit memory bus and is expected to launch with a $249 - $399 price tag.


Now, see...I didn't know that about improvements in FPS Big%20smile  Figured a game had to be "designed" to use DX11 for it to matter...  Thanks for clarifying that for me Ouch


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  Quote sirsiddius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Aug 2009 at 10:50am
I've been watching DigitalStorm for a while now. I've saved ~$3000  doing  oddjobs; and those prebuilt deals (especially the extreme 3) looks irresistable.

Should I snap up a prebuilt now before they're all gone or should I wait for the Directx11 parts that are around the corner.

I'm leaving for collage next year so I want a computer that'll preferably last untill I fininsh...and maybe even longer if I don't find a job afterwards.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Aug 2009 at 2:22pm
Yes the cards are more powerful so they will perform better till Nvidia comes out with their cards that will kick their ass, however we were discussing DX11 which is what the op's article was talking about.
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  Quote sirsiddius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Aug 2009 at 8:35pm
Ok let me rephrase...
Do you think that DirectX11 cards are powerfull enought so as to warrant a possible customer to wait 3-4 months for their release before purchasing a PC?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Aug 2009 at 8:40pm
If you are talking Nvidia then maybe yes, but at the end the more you wait, the more thing there are to wait for even longer.

best thing to do IMO is go with 275 GTX now and then next year or so upgrade. whatever you wait for, by DEC 2010 it will be outdated and more powerful GPUs will be coming out.

besides the big boys of nvidia are suppose to come out H1 of 2010, so its more like 6 month.

look at the 4870x2, it came out around sept of 2008, by march 2009 nvidia's 275 gtx was matching its performance.

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  Quote sirsiddius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Aug 2009 at 8:48pm
Surely you mean the gtx 295? I thought the gtx 275 matched the preformance of the 4890.

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depends on the game. lol
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Aug 2009 at 9:13pm
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Surely you mean the gtx 295? I thought the gtx 275 matched the preformance of the 4890.


no I mean 275 gtx vs 4870x2
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Aug 2009 at 10:53am
DST lives in Nvidia's land of unicorns and rainbows sometimes. lol..
On the majority of games the GTX 295 does edge out the 4870x2, some the games  the 4870x2 wins, some games it is very close, but most time the nvidia is ahead. 
Here is a recent review, showing a stock 295, and one overclocked from the factory, the overclocked one will out perform 2 275's in SLI, and games that do not work with SLI.
 
 
The link starts off in the middle of the review. lol but if you go forward it shows gaming performance.
Also keep in mind, that @ different resolutions, different filter rates, different AA rates, will also change the outcome of which GPU is on top,
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  Quote sirsiddius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Aug 2009 at 11:13am
According to DST4ME ONE nvidia gtx 275 will match the performance of ONE ati radeon 4870X2. Though I don't know where and how he got that into his head,

DST4ME it scares me to think that a bloke who's recommended literally thousands of builds to potential buyers can make such a noobish statement.


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  Quote Zurginator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Aug 2009 at 1:14pm
Nvidia's answer:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/4/22/nvidias-gt300-specifications-revealed---its-a-cgpu!.aspx

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nvidia's card won't be out till next year, it won't be $1,000. lol
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Aug 2009 at 2:08pm
Depends on the game and I never said that at 1900 x 1200 it will match it.




you guys will excuse me if I thought you were quick enough to understand, that needless to say at and above 1900 x 1200 a single 275 can't hang, its not like I have said you need 2 gpus at that resolution a million times in this forum is it?


also in that link as far as 295 goes:

1. there is no 275 in sli in that chart.

2. the main 295 there is liquid cooled.

3. show me an oced 295 and oced 275 in sli then I will believe you.

4. wow justing an oced 295 beats a stock 275? wow how a very fair comparison, but you forgot to mention that it beats it because:

1. you are comparing an oced gpu to a stock gpu, woopdy da, thats not fair, compar a factory oc gpu to a factory oced gpu and not an oced gpu to a stock gpu.

2. show us your chart of oced 295 beating stock 275 in none sli games, so we can see a). how little the difference is, b.) how much more that little difference will cost, c.) how much more heat that oced 295 will have.

3. now be fair and show us a fair comparison of a an factory oced 275 and 295 and lets see which does better in games that support sli and in games that don't support sli.

I have to say justin I'm disapointed to see you compare an oced gpu to a stock gpu in peformance, very misleading for those that don't understand it, and then you say I live in a unicorn land, lol atleast I compare apples with apples and not apples and oranges (aka oced gpu to gpu that is not oced).



@sirsiddius, go read my posts before you speak, I never said that the 275 matches the performance of 4870x2 at 1900 x 1200.


go and look at 275 at 1600 x 1200 and 4870x2 and you will see that they are either within 4 to 8 fps difference depending on the games.



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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Aug 2009 at 2:29pm

If the 295 is clocked higher than dual 275's, then it will out-perform them, there is no debate there. There is no over 100% scaling for SLI, so you should be able to extrapolate the results yourself.

Isn't this thread about the new ATI cards? Smile
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Aug 2009 at 2:30pm
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If the 295 is clocked higher than dual 275's, then it will out-perform them, there is no debate there. There is no over 100% scaling for SLI, so you should be able to extrapolate the results yourself.


Isn't this thread about the new ATI cards? Smile


show us the benchmark from a creditable site then. and please keep it fair and show us oced 295 and oced 275s

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  Quote sirsiddius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Aug 2009 at 2:30pm
lol DST4ME I've lurked long enough on this forum to appreciate your ability to incite flame wars.

& I also admire how you emphatically prove your point in debates by producing benchmark graphs from the thin air.

So if you'll forgive me seeing as I still don't know how to post images, but if you can take a look here: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/07/15/inno3d-ichill-geforce-gtx-275-review/4

Can you tell me on which of those graphs does the GTX 275 "match" the performance of the RADEON 4870X2 (Keeping in mind that the CryEngine is optimized for Nvidia Cards)?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Aug 2009 at 2:34pm
Originally posted by sirsiddius

lol DST4ME I've lurked long enough on this forum to appreciate your ability to incite flame wars.& I also admire how you emphatically prove your point in debates by producing benchmark graphs from the thin air.So if you'll forgive me seeing as I still don't know how to post images, but if you can take a look here: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/07/15/inno3d-ichill-geforce-gtx-275-review/4Can you tell me on which of those graphs does the GTX 275 "match" the performance of the RADEON 4870X2 (Keeping in mind that the CryEngine is optimized for Nvidia Cards)?


you link shows what I said, the diference is 4 to 8 fps, as long at you stay around 4x aa and also keep in mind once about 60 fps you can't tell the differnce so the race is to 60 fps.

whoever made the "noobish comment" is the one that is trying to start a flame war.

I'm not gonna sit here and do this all day but most games go the same way:





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Dst4me you've done it again, now i'll have to waste my time just to prove you wrong.

1st of all when you said the 275 "matches the performance" of the 4870X2 any person with an iq of over 80 would assume that "matches" would apply in every case (not just in some cases or else you would have said something like "matches except when...").

It's like saying a ford fiesta matches the performance of a f1 car and then justifying your self by saying 'oh yes a ford does match an f1 car if they are both on a mountain roads full of potholes.

Hell I bet that even my gtx 8800 could 'match' the preformance of the 4870x2 if they were both running CS at 800X600 because both you and I know that the lower the resolution the less dependent the game is on the GPU. It's EXACTLY in the higher resolutions where we separate brilliant GPUs from ok GPUs

Furthermore if you'll look at this: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/07/15/inno3d-ichill-geforce-gtx-275-review/10
Then you'll see that at 1280 by 1024 (very low res here) the 4870X2 is 24 frames faster than the 275 in terms of maximum fps and 20 fps faster in terms of minimum fps that's not 'matching' that's the 4870x2 kicking the crap out of the 275.

I know you have nearly 15000 posts under your belt but you really should do some research before posting whatever you please, these forums are a place for facts not DST4ME's fantasies.

With that said I still respect you seeing as you have given out good advice to people in the past.

In the future think things through before posting, learn to eat the humble pie once in a while, and remember obstinacy and stubbornness are not virtues.


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  Quote busdriver01 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Aug 2009 at 3:15pm
I'm curious what kind kind of power supply you would need to crossfire a couple of those new cards.  I suppose it wishfull thinking, but wouldn't it be nice if they provided more performance with a lower wattage requirement. 

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Aug 2009 at 3:45pm
@sirsiddius:

1. I guess the 2 pics I have don't mean anything, and like I said I'm not gonna waste my time posting pic after pic all day. I have already shown in far cry and brothers in arms the performance is practially the same, far cry is at 1900 x 1200 and brothers in arms is in 1600 x 1200, I can show 4 to 8fps difference between the two at 1600 x 1200 all day but I'm not gonna waste my time. I also explained that above 60 fps you cant' tell what is in the pc, a 275 or a 4870x2 or quad sli 295.

2. Its obvious you don't understand what I'm saying so I won't waste your time. Just because you don't understand what I'm saying it does not mean its fantasies.

@busdriver01, you would need a 1000w psu to run 2 x 4870x2.

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he is talking about the new cards I believe? lol
From my little birdies, ATI will be launching Dx11 cards, but no big hitters. Mid range cards that will be around the 4890 performance level, with Dx11 capabilities, at a very good price, and should draw less power. The big cards are not going to launch until Nvidia comes out... This is all info from inside leaks, so take with a grain of salt.
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LOL the new cards I missed that, we are not sure but I assume a 750w to a 1000w depending on the card.

AT the end ATI will come out with the more powerfull card first then nvidia will come out with something that will beat it, it happens every year almost, but justin is right the most powerfull will come out H1 of 2010.

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LOL the new cards I missed that, we are not sure but I assume a 750w to a 1000w depending on the card.

AT the end ATI will come out with the more powerfull card first then nvidia will come out with something that will beat it, it happens every year almost, but justin is right the most powerfull will come out H1 of 2010.


if theyre going to draw less power why would u need a 750w


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