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Tue, 22 May 2012 21:17:45 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 22 May 2012 at 9:17pm

Sorry guys but this conversation is getting a little too carried away, I'm going to lock the thread.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by tju76 Originally...

Tue, 22 May 2012 21:11:07 +0000

Author: Err0xx
Subject: 17632
Posted: 22 May 2012 at 9:11pm

Originally posted by tju76

Originally posted by Err0xx

Originally posted by tju76

Originally posted by Err0xx

Originally posted by tju76

Originally posted by Err0xx

Originally posted by bprat22

Great discussion, but nowhere in that article or any other benches dŒs the gtx 690 best the sli 680 except a frame or two in rare cases. The gtx 690 is almost equal to sli680. Not until the 690 is oc'd and the 680 isn't dŒs it pull away by about 10%. The 10-40% better performance was compared to the sli gtx580. That being said, the 690 is finally a dual gpu card that finally lives up ti it's name. I do agree Anandtech is a very good source and I use it all the time.

At work atm so can't really look much up, but anandtech coommented that the 690GTX will score higher when drivers are tweaked. Their comment is in the user comments section at the bottom (forget what page)

My original 10-40% gain statement were based on NVIDIA benchmarks that were done with drivers that anandtech dŒs not currently have access to. Since the GTX690 is a dual core card, the drivers had to have a major overhaul to deal with heat and such. Performance will increase even more as drivers are polished; whereas the 680 won't see near as much improvement with future driver releases.

Trust me, this card is capable of 10-40% gains over the 680GTX in SLI.

i really can not see this happening because the same can be said of the sli gtx 680 drivers. the best buy imo is sli gtx 680 because if one card breaks i dont have to spend 1k to get it replaced. downclocked GPU'S will not be stronger than higher clocked stock GPU'S of the sli 680's, " i don't see where you are getting your information that the 680's will not improve with future drivers, for nvidia the 680 is their number one seller, look at the drivers for the 580 which massively increased the performance compared to the reference drivers.

Firstly, I don't see where I said one time that the 680's wont improve. I didn't. I said "the 680 won't see near as much improvement with future driver releases." The dual core card will improve more than the single core card because the single core drivers are already farther along in development/polish than the dual core ones.

Second, if you're getting a new pc, your hardware is under warranty. Isn't gonna cost you to replace a faulty piece of hardware.

Third, the 680 isn't using "reference drivers", they are official release that were based off of the 580 drivers. They won't improve as much as the 690 drivers because, simply, there isn't as much to improve.

Fourth, if you're using 2 cards for the 680's in sli, your doubling your chance of something breaking. 1 of 2 cards is more likely to break than one card if you're picking between SLI and a single 690. I've gone with 690s in SLI and called it a day.

First of all please take the time to read my post before you miss quote something i said :Your quote I don't see where I said one time that the 680's wont improve, What i actually said in my post i don't see where you are getting your information that the 680's will not improve with future drivers. i am just confused on your comment about the potential of the 680 drivers Nvidia will not stop releasing drivers for their cards and EVERYONE knows that performance improves as more and more drivers are released. Example 3 months from now when the drivers are properly polished what makes the higher clocked 680's perform 10-40% worse than a lower clocked 690?

I will spell it out for you. The. 680GTX. Cards. Will. Not. Improve. With. Future. Drivers. As. Much. As. The. 690GTX. Cards. Will. With. Future. Drivers. Because. The. Single. Core. Nvidia. Drivers. Are. Already. Further. Along. Therefore. There. Is. Not. As. Much. Room. For. Improvement. As. There. Is. With. The. Newer. Dual. Core. Cards. Due. To. Dual. Core. Card. Drivers. Not. Being. As. Established.

I never said the 680's wouldn't improve with future drivers. They WILL IMPROVE, just not as much as the dual core cards.

I did read your post. It appears that English is not your first language and you are missing something critical about my statements. There WILL be more drivers released for ALL current NVIDIA Cards, but the dual core ones will improve MORE as power management, heat, performance between two cores, etc. is refined.

I'll say it once again, in case I'm still confusing: The 680s WILL IMPROVE with future drivers but NOT AS MUCH as the 690s.

i take it you have a hard time taking criticism, and attack/insult people on a forum for asking/questioning statements that you make. It seems like you think the only valid OPINION is your own, and everyone else is just wrong? Im sorry if my contradictions of your claims upset you, a forum dŒs not seem like the proper place for you to post your ideas if you cant take criticism from others, andMy point was imo nothing you have said proves to me that the 690's will perform 10-40% better than the 680's. NOW obviously the 690's drivers will show more improvement over the 680's because the 680's are farther along in driver development. BUT that is not proof of them being 10-40% better than the 680's, say a year from now when the drivers are just as polished as the 680's. i feel bad that you need to act that childish, and insult people that you have never met. i guess i was raised differently, to each their own i guess.Travis.

You'll have to excuse me for getting frustrated. I had to say it FOUR times to get you to understand that I was NOT saying that the 680s would not improve with future updates.

Second, you insult me by saying that I'm not taking the time to read your post before I respond and inferring that I might be incapable of doing so. Yet, it's you who failed to understand what I was saying.

I'd accept criticism if it was backed by more than you disagreeing based on personal, non professional, understandings of clock speeds.

I'm no teacher and didn't chose to be one as a career path. It's not my job to teach you English to understand what I say. If me saying something in text writing 4 times isn't enough to make you understand it, then I don't think it's improper for me to assume your not a native English speaker. I don't see how my statement was offensive. It's the truth that I had to say "The 680s WILL IMPROVE with future drivers but NOT AS MUCH as the 690s." 4 times to get you to comprehend it. Reread the replies.

First time I said it: "Since the GTX690 is a dual core card, the drivers had to have a major overhaul to deal with heat and such. Performance will increase even more as drivers are polished; whereas the 680 won't see near as much improvement with future driver releases. "

Second Time I said it: "Firstly, I don't see where I said one time that the 680's wont improve. I didn't. I said "the 680 won't see near as much improvement with future driver releases." The dual core card will improve more than the single core card because the single core drivers are already farther along in development/polish than the dual core ones."

Third Time I said it: "I will spell it out for you. The. 680GTX. Cards. Will. Not. Improve. With. Future. Drivers. As. Much. As. The. 690GTX. Cards. Will. With. Future. Drivers. Because. The. Single. Core. Nvidia. Drivers. Are. Already. Further. Along. Therefore. There. Is. Not. As. Much. Room. For. Improvement. As. There. Is. With. The. Newer. Dual. Core. Cards. Due. To. Dual. Core. Card. Drivers. Not. Being. As. Established."

Fourth Time I said it: "I'll say it once again, in case I'm still confusing: The 680s WILL IMPROVE with future drivers but NOT AS MUCH as the 690s."

There. It took 4 times for you to understand what I was saying. That leaves me with 2 options.

1) You're not fluent/perfect in English (perfectly understandable)
2) You're an idiot

Nothing I said was an insult. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed that you were not an idiot and, in fact, you weren't a native English speaker.

In this conversation, I did view my opinion as valid over yours because you never once quoted a source.

Go whine elsewhere and learn to understand information before you comment on it.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by Err0xx Originally...

Tue, 22 May 2012 18:41:09 +0000

Author: tju76
Subject: 17632
Posted: 22 May 2012 at 6:41pm

Originally posted by Err0xx

Originally posted by tju76

Originally posted by Err0xx

Originally posted by tju76

Originally posted by Err0xx

i take it you have a hard time taking criticism, and attack/insult people on a forum for asking/questioning statements that you make. It seems like you think the only valid OPINION is your own, and everyone else is just wrong? Im sorry if my contradictions of your claims upset you, a forum dŒs not seem like the proper place for you to post your ideas if you cant take criticism from others, and
My point was imo nothing you have said proves to me that the 690's will perform 10-40% better than the 680's. NOW obviously the 690's drivers will show more improvement over the 680's because the 680's are farther along in driver development. BUT that is not proof of them being 10-40% better than the 680's, say a year from now when the drivers are just as polished as the 680's. i feel bad that you need to act that childish, and insult people that you have never met. i guess i was raised differently, to each their own i guess.

Travis.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by shawnj11558GTX...

Mon, 21 May 2012 20:26:00 +0000

Author: Err0xx
Subject: 17632
Posted: 21 May 2012 at 8:26pm

Originally posted by shawnj11558

GTX 690 waterblocks are out now

http://www.koolance.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=2059

THAT is awesome news! Are these the ones DS will use on the Aventum watercooling? How long will it take DS to get em in from this point? Woo!

The fact that they say that they will ship the next business day if ordered within the next (currently 10 hours) is good too - shows that they are ready to go.

Thnx for the post Shawn, that made my night.

Edited by Err0xx - 21 May 2012 at 8:28pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by tju76 Originally...

Mon, 21 May 2012 20:23:51 +0000

Author: Err0xx
Subject: 17632
Posted: 21 May 2012 at 8:23pm

Originally posted by tju76

Originally posted by Err0xx

Originally posted by tju76

Originally posted by Err0xx

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by Err0xx Originally...

Mon, 21 May 2012 19:29:17 +0000

Author: tju76
Subject: 17632
Posted: 21 May 2012 at 7:29pm

Originally posted by Err0xx

Originally posted by tju76

Originally posted by Err0xx

First of all please take the time to read my post before you miss quote something i said :Your quote I don't see where I said one time that the 680's wont improve, What i actually said in my post i don't see where you are getting your information that the 680's will not improve with future drivers.

i am just confused on your comment about the potential of the 680 drivers Nvidia will not stop releasing drivers for their cards and EVERYONE knows that performance improves as more and more drivers are released. Example 3 months from now when the drivers are properly polished what makes the higher clocked 680's perform 10-40% worse than a lower clocked 690?

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : I found this video onNVIDIA's...

Mon, 21 May 2012 18:07:28 +0000

Author: Asangard
Subject: 17632
Posted: 21 May 2012 at 6:07pm

I found this video on NVIDIA's Website. It is a recording of a live interview and demo of the GTX 690. Here is the link: http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/pc-perspective-live-review-geforce-gtx-690/

It is a little over an hr in length but the real interesting thing for me was something the NVIDIA rep mentioned near the end. He was talking about drivers in general and how currently they are not taking advantage of the 3.0 PCI express. He basically stated it was too new and not alot out there and it would take about 12 months for the drivers to catch up.

Looks like we should see performance increases for all GTX 600 series cards in about a yr.

Edited by Asangard - 21 May 2012 at 7:08pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : GTX 690 waterblocks are out now...

Mon, 21 May 2012 17:18:57 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 21 May 2012 at 5:18pm

GTX 690 waterblocks are out now

http://www.koolance.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=2059

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by Err0xx...

Mon, 21 May 2012 14:48:02 +0000

Author: BF3Addict
Subject: 17632
Posted: 21 May 2012 at 2:48pm

Originally posted by Err0xx

[QUOTE=tju76]
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Fourth, if you're using 2 cards for the 680's in sli, your doubling your chance of something breaking. 1 of 2 cards is more likely to break than one card if you're picking between SLI and a single 690. I've gone with 690s in SLI and called it a day.

While you're correct that you're using a single card, you have two GPU's with the 690. You have to consider the failure rate of the components when figuring the failure rate of the card itself. From that perspective you have a greater chance of card failure with the 690 than the 680. You can't replace a GPU when it fails. You have to replace the entire card.

In any case I think the chance of failure for either card is relatively small. It's just a bit larger for the more complicated card.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by tju76 Originally...

Mon, 21 May 2012 12:04:53 +0000

Author: Err0xx
Subject: 17632
Posted: 21 May 2012 at 12:04pm

Originally posted by tju76

Originally posted by Err0xx

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by Err0xx Originally...

Mon, 21 May 2012 07:55:42 +0000

Author: tju76
Subject: 17632
Posted: 21 May 2012 at 7:55am

Originally posted by Err0xx

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hi Err0xx, Thanks for posting...

Mon, 21 May 2012 04:50:02 +0000

Author: FrankW
Subject: 17632
Posted: 21 May 2012 at 4:50am

Hi Err0xx,

Thanks for posting your link. I am sorry but I stick by my comments. No where in that review do they test TRIM or state flat out that TRIM works in RAID. If you run two SSDs with SandForce controllers in RAID your write performance will drop off after all of the memory blocks have been wrote to. TRIM dŒsn't work in RAID unless something has changed just recently.

The only currant drive that I know about that is using background garbage collection is the Samsung 830. Now with Corsair using new firmware I don't know what they are doing. But I don't think they had the currant Firmware in January.

In the conclusion the review states: "TRIM support, insane performance both in read and write scenarios and 1GB/s available in RAID 0." I read this as saying that the Corsair drive has Trim Support and I agree with that. But it dŒsn't say TRIM works in RAID. I have not seen any review, by more reliable reviewers than this outfit, that TRIM works in RAID.

Frank

Edited by FrankW - 21 May 2012 at 4:55am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by Alex No...

Sun, 20 May 2012 18:26:44 +0000

Author: Err0xx
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 6:26pm

Originally posted by Alex

No problem, back in the days, higher rated memory helped with FSB based overclocks, but, now, those ratios are completely different.

In all honesty, for most tasks, would there even be a noticeable difference in the 1600mhz DS memory vs., say, the Corsair 2000mhz or 2133mhz? It seems like with 16gb+ a 4-500mhz difference wouldn't be a groundbreaking difference in *most* tasks. I realize some RAM intensive uses could be somewhat noticeable, but in general use, dŒs it really make much difference? Seems like in general use, there would be a greater benefit to higher clocked cpu and lower clocked ram vs. lower clocked cpu and higher clocked ram.

That being said, I can't freaking wait to use this computer. I'm making myself wait to play Diablo 3 until it gets here...sitting in the box, still sealed, beside my monitor. Oh the joy.

Edited by Err0xx - 20 May 2012 at 6:27pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : No problem, back in the days,...

Sun, 20 May 2012 18:13:20 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 6:13pm

No problem, back in the days, higher rated memory helped with FSB based overclocks, but, now, those ratios are completely different.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by AlexI just...

Sun, 20 May 2012 18:03:39 +0000

Author: Err0xx
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 6:03pm

Originally posted by Alex

I just wanted to say that running 1600MHz will not stop you from getting a higher overclock, it's the opposite. A high overclock on the CPU and the memory (2000Mhz+) will make it hard to get a overclock of 4.7GHz+ stable.

Thanks, I realized after I made my statement that it may have been the opposite of what I was thinking. I have OC experience in the past, but it's been awhile. A long while.

That clears up a lot.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by Asangard Hi...

Sun, 20 May 2012 18:00:45 +0000

Author: Err0xx
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 6:00pm

Originally posted by Asangard

Hi Err0xx,

I agree that Anantech is a good source for reviews.Â I had read their review previously and my impression was that 2 GTX 680s in SLI was better than 1 GTX 690.Â After reading your comments I decided I should go back and take a second look.Â My only concern is gaming performance.

I specifically looked at the performance in the gamesÂ and resolutions they tested at.Â The 2 GTX 680s in SLI performed better than the GTX 690 in 26 tests and the GTX 690 performed better than 2 GTX 680s in 10 tests.Â Again this is strickly gaming performance mesured in FPS.Â Of the 10 tests the GTX 690 performed better 8 of those was at 1920 x 1200 resolution and in only 1 game (Starcraft 2) did the GTX 690Â peform better and they only tested Starcrat 2 at 2 resoulitons.

You stated:Â "The GTX 690 has a dual core GPU, whereas the GTX 680 has a single.Â This makes up for the clock differences".Â Yes the GTX 690 has 2 GPUs but you have to compare it to 2 GTX 680s not one for a fair comparison.Â Then the clock speads do make a differenceÂ at least in 26Â gaming tests out of 36 tests run.

Comparing 2 GTX 690s to 3 GTX 680s isn't a fair comparison either.Â YouÂ are comparing 4Â total GPUs to 3 totalÂ GPUs.Â

The question is:Â In gaming is 1 GTX 690 better than 2 GTX 680s?Â Yes this dual GPU card is much better than previous dual core GPUs and the review by Anandtech proves this.Â Â But the answer as far as gaming performance gŒs is still 26 to 10 in favor of the 2 GTX 680s.

I stand by my original impression when the choice is between 1 GTX 690 or 2 GTX 680s I would go with 2 GTX 680s.Â Unless you are gaming at 1920 by 1200 resolution,Â then you might want to consider the GTX 690.Â This seems to be the sweet spot for the GTX 690.

Refer to my comment above; drivers will play a huge role in the full potential of the 690GTX. Right now the 690 isn't doing what it's capable of. Give it a month and revisit your analysis.

In regards to 690's in SLI - Quad SLI has never been 100% efficient; in other words, 4 graphics cards with single chips might produce 50 FPS each, whereas 4 graphics cards with single chips in SLI might produce a total of 160 FPS, or 40 FPS per card. While the total FPS of the Quad SLI obviously destroys the 50 FPS of the single card, each chip isn't performing to its full potential.

Nvidia has been busting its butt to work on drivers to correct this, which will be needed for the GTX690 to have its full potential realized. In the next 1-2 months we'll see this card really shine.

Edited by Err0xx - 20 May 2012 at 6:07pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by bprat22Great...

Sun, 20 May 2012 17:58:25 +0000

Author: Err0xx
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 5:58pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hi Err0xx,I agree that Anantech...

Sun, 20 May 2012 17:58:25 +0000

Author: Asangard
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 5:58pm

Hi Err0xx,

I agree that Anantech is a good source for reviews. I had read their review previously and my impression was that 2 GTX 680s in SLI was better than 1 GTX 690. After reading your comments I decided I should go back and take a second look. My only concern is gaming performance.

I specifically looked at the performance in the games and resolutions they tested at. The 2 GTX 680s in SLI performed better than the GTX 690 in 26 tests and the GTX 690 performed better than 2 GTX 680s in 10 tests. Again this is strickly gaming performance mesured in FPS. Of the 10 tests the GTX 690 performed better 8 of those was at 1920 x 1200 resolution and in only 1 game (Starcraft 2) did the GTX 690 peform better and they only tested Starcrat 2 at 2 resoulitons.

You stated: "The GTX 690 has a dual core GPU, whereas the GTX 680 has a single. This makes up for the clock differences". Yes the GTX 690 has 2 GPUs but you have to compare it to 2 GTX 680s not one for a fair comparison. Then the clock speads do make a difference at least in 26 gaming tests out of 36 tests run.

Comparing 2 GTX 690s to 3 GTX 680s isn't a fair comparison either. You are comparing 4 total GPUs to 3 total GPUs.

The question is: In gaming is 1 GTX 690 better than 2 GTX 680s? Yes this dual GPU card is much better than previous dual core GPUs and the review by Anandtech proves this. But the answer as far as gaming performance gŒs is still 26 to 10 in favor of the 2 GTX 680s.

I stand by my original impression when the choice is between 1 GTX 690 or 2 GTX 680s I would go with 2 GTX 680s. Unless you are gaming at 1920 by 1200 resolution, then you might want to consider the GTX 690. This seems to be the sweet spot for the GTX 690.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : I just wanted to say that running...

Sun, 20 May 2012 17:46:40 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 5:46pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Great discussion, but nowhere...

Sun, 20 May 2012 17:26:14 +0000

Author: bprat22
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 5:26pm

Great discussion, but nowhere in that article or any other benches dŒs the gtx 690 best the sli 680 except a frame or two in rare cases. The gtx 690 is almost equal to sli680. Not until the 690 is oc'd and the 680 isn't dŒs it pull away by about 10%. The 10-40% better performance was compared to the sli gtx580. That being said, the 690 is finally a dual gpu card that finally lives up ti it's name. I do agree Anandtech is a very good source and I use it all the time.

Edited by bprat22 - 20 May 2012 at 5:27pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by tju76i...

Sun, 20 May 2012 15:26:05 +0000

Author: Err0xx
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 3:26pm

Originally posted by tju76

i would be curious on those reports of a single 690 being 10-40% better than sli 680s on account of the 690's being underclocked 680's that statement makes no sense at allÂ

Please refer to this quote:

"Traditionally dual-GPU cards have been a mixed bag. More often than not they have to sacrifice a significant amount of single-GPU performance in order to put two GPUs on a single card, and in the rare occasions where that tradeoff dŒsnÂ€™t happen thereÂ€™s some other tradeoff such as a loud cooler or immense power consumption. NVIDIA told us that they could break this tradition and put two full GTX 680s on a single card, and that they could do that while making it quieter and less power consuming than a dual video card SLI setup. After going through our benchmarking process we can safely say that NVIDIA has met their goals.

From a gaming performance perspective we havenÂ€™t seen a dual-GPU card reach the performance of a pair of high-end cards in SLI/CF since the Radeon HD 4870X2 in 2008, so itÂ€™s quite refreshing to see someone get so close again 4 years later. The GTX 690 dŒsnÂ€™t quite reach the performance of the GTX 680 SLI, but itÂ€™s very, very close. Based on our benchmarks weÂ€™re looking at 95% of the performance of the GTX 680 SLI at 5760x1200 and 96% of the performance at 2560x1600. These are measurable differences, but only just. For all practical purposes the GTX 690 is a single card GTX 680 SLI Â€“ a single card GTX 680 SLI that consumes noticeably less power under load and is at least marginally quieter too."

The site breakdown of benchmarks and tests is here:

" http://www.anandtech.com/show/5805/nvidia-geforce-gtx-690-review-ultra-expensive-ultra-rare-ultra-fast/19 "

In some tests the GTX 690 WAS FASTER THAN SLI GTX 680s by 10-40%. In some cases, it was on-par. GTX 690 in SLI would be about 40-70% faster than 3 GTX 680s in TRI- SLI.

The GTX 690 has a dual core GPU, whereas the GTX 680 has a single. This makes up for the clock differences. If nothing else, read the conclusion at the site I linked you. They explain this.

Anandtech says: " In any case, for GTX 690 weÂ€™re looking at a base clock of 915MHz, a boost clock of 1019MHz, and a memory clock of 6.006GHz. Compared to the GTX 680 this is 91% of the base clock, 96% of the boost clock, and the same memory bandwidth; this is the closest a dual-GPU NVIDIA card has ever been to its single-GPU counterpart, particularly when it comes to memory bandwidth. Furthermore GTX 690 uses fully enabled GPUs Â€“ every last CUDA core and every last ROP is active Â€“ so the difference between GTX 690 and GTX 680 is outright the clockspeed difference and nothing more.

Of course this dŒs mean that NVIDIA had to make a clockspeed tradeoff here to get GTX 690 off the ground, but their ace in the hole is going to be GPU Boost, which significantly eats into the clockspeed difference. As weÂ€™ll see when we get to our look at performance, in spite of NVIDIAÂ€™s conservative base clock the performance difference is frequently closer to the smaller boost clock difference."

Anandtech is THE hardware testing authority, and I agree. They are correct. See my BOLD text above.

Landon

Edited by Err0xx - 20 May 2012 at 3:34pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : i would be curious on those reports...

Sun, 20 May 2012 13:35:11 +0000

Author: tju76
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 1:35pm

i would be curious on those reports of a single 690 being 10-40% better than sli 680s on account of the 690's being underclocked 680's that statement makes no sense at all

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by FrankWHi...

Sun, 20 May 2012 11:18:10 +0000

Author: Err0xx
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 11:18am

Originally posted by FrankW

Hi Combatvetgsr,

Here is something to think about with SSDs in RAID. The SandForce controller that the 520 uses dŒsn't do garbage collection until the memory blocks are needed. Win-7 has TRIM feature that helps with memory cleanup. With a RAID array TRIM dŒs not work. So sometime in the future after all of your memory blocks have been used, your write speeds will drop about 50%. If you are not doing a lot of SSD write functions maybe it won't be a problem for you.

Then there is the problem with RAID-0 if one of the SSDs dies you will lose all of the data on both drives. You need to make sure every time you load something onto the SSD array that you also copy it to a HDD.

Frank

That is not true Frank W. Please read:
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/storage/corsair_240gb_force_gt_raid0_review/7

Some SSD's do support TRIM in RAID 0 - the Corsair 240's and the intels are two examples of drives that do. Jump to the conclusion section of the article in the link I posted. Even many new SSD's that don't have TRIM support in RAID 0, have housekeeping functions that run in the background of the drives themselves that are arguably better than TRIM.

SSD's in RAID 0 have one of the following for almost any SSD made after 2011: 1. Support TRIM or 2. Have housekeeping capabilities equal to or greater than TRIM.

I work in a server-level corporate environment and we have 2 huge data servers with 1200 SSD's per server. There are many raid-arrays within each. In 5 years of near 24/7 usage, 2 drives have failed. I wouldn't worry about SSD failure in RAID 0. Can it happen? Sure, but it is very unlikely during the lifespan of your PC. These things are very reliable, especially with no moving parts. The SSD failure rate is very, very low. Backing up data for any raid config is always suggested, but don't let failure rate deter you from going SSD Raid-0.

This isn't an issue.

Landon

Edited by Err0xx - 20 May 2012 at 11:37am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hi Combatvetgsr, Here is something...

Sun, 20 May 2012 09:47:55 +0000

Author: FrankW
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 9:47am

Hi Combatvetgsr,

Here is something to think about with SSDs in RAID. The SandForce controller that the 520 uses dŒsn't do garbage collection until the memory blocks are needed. Win-7 has TRIM feature that helps with memory cleanup. With a RAID array TRIM dŒs not work. So sometime in the future after all of your memory blocks have been used, your write speeds will drop about 50%. If you are not doing a lot of SSD write functions maybe it won't be a problem for you.

Then there is the problem with RAID-0 if one of the SSDs dies you will lose all of the data on both drives. You need to make sure every time you load something onto the SSD array that you also copy it to a HDD.

Frank

Edited by FrankW - 20 May 2012 at 9:50am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : I have an machine very similar...

Sun, 20 May 2012 03:22:31 +0000

Author: xii
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 3:22am

I have an machine very similar to the ones posted above and was also consoled by DS to not take the higher ram (2133) and go with lower (1600). I think this is sound advice. I am not ... I dont know, bragging but when using this kind of money - would you really wanna run the gambit of an unstable system?

Best to side with caution here. That is why I'm still in the design phase of mine.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by Combatvetgsr Originally...

Sun, 20 May 2012 02:17:52 +0000

Author: Err0xx
Subject: 17632
Posted: 20 May 2012 at 2:17am

Originally posted by Combatvetgsr

Originally posted by shawnj11558

Sweet Combatvetgsr, Stage 5! You must be like 1 week away from getting your pc.

I'm sure the 690 WB will cease the progress

It will, but man, stick with it. The 690's are sick. Anandtech and some local computer testers have benchmarked it and in most cases a single GTX 690 is 10-40% faster that TWO GTX 680's in SLI. I can't imagine how powerful 2 690's LC will be. Can't wait to see the benchmarks - waiting on the water blocks will be worth it. I'll be waiting on mine as well.

I was thinking about trying some 2000mhz Corsair Vengeance RAM from newegg at some point. The 2133 is a crappy clock I guess because of the Overclocking multiplier to get a good correlation between the RAM and the Processor. I have some fair background in overclocking and that's one of the main things I can see as a prob for RAM @ 2133 with this processor. The 2000mhz seems like it would jive better. I just know that the sales advice I got was * adamantly* against using the 2133mhz, lol. I just think that the DS recommended ram at 1600mhz will be a bottleneck for a 4.5-4.8ghz processor combined with SSD's in RAID - kinda like putting mud tires on a Ferrari, so to speak.

Edited by Err0xx - 20 May 2012 at 2:19am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by shawnj11558Sweet...

Sat, 19 May 2012 21:40:14 +0000

Author: Combatvetgsr
Subject: 17632
Posted: 19 May 2012 at 9:40pm

Originally posted by shawnj11558

Sweet Combatvetgsr, Stage 5! You must be like 1 week away from getting your pc.

I'm sure the 690 WB will cease the progress

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Sweet Combatvetgsr, Stage 5!...

Sat, 19 May 2012 21:32:42 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 19 May 2012 at 9:32pm

Sweet Combatvetgsr, Stage 5! You must be like 1 week away from getting your pc.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by FrankWHi...

Sat, 19 May 2012 20:59:03 +0000

Author: Combatvetgsr
Subject: 17632
Posted: 19 May 2012 at 8:59pm

Originally posted by FrankW

Hi Combatvetgsr,

Nice system. Have you researched using SSDs in RAID-0 configuration?

Frank

Never really sat down and researched the RAID-0 config, seen some test results using the 520 in RAID-0 config and it was positive.

Originally posted by shawnj11558

Hmm Interesting Err0xx. I haven't received any info regarding the 2133Mhz memory I have on mine or any boost prob with GPU. My pc prob hasnt reached that stage yet, hopefully it will pass.

Grats on your build btw, I couldn't wait on the GTX690 waterblocks so I went with the 680s on LC.

I also was told during my purchase that 2133Mhz was a PITA by the sales team, but I'm sure if any issues arise you will find out. Just hit Stage 5 today

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hmm Interesting Err0xx. I haven't...

Sat, 19 May 2012 20:41:19 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 19 May 2012 at 8:41pm

Hmm Interesting Err0xx. I haven't received any info regarding the 2133Mhz memory I have on mine or any boost prob with GPU. My pc prob hasnt reached that stage yet, hopefully it will pass.

Grats on your build btw, I couldn't wait on the GTX690 waterblocks so I went with the 680s on LC.

Edited by shawnj11558 - 19 May 2012 at 8:42pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Just bought an Aventum as well....

Sat, 19 May 2012 16:18:12 +0000

Author: Err0xx
Subject: 17632
Posted: 19 May 2012 at 4:18pm

Just bought an Aventum as well. Here is my configuration: in stage 3.

Digital Storm Desktop 374273 1
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - BlackOPSAventum
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - NotAvailable
Processor: Intel Corei7 Extreme Edition 3960X3.3GHz (Six-Core) (Extreme Performance)
Motherboard: ASUSRampageIV Extreme X79 (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (HighlyRecommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1500W Silverstone (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Recommended)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard DriveSet1: Operating System: 2x (240GB Solid State(By: Corsair) (Model: Force GT SeriesCSSD-F240GBGT-BK)(SATA 6Gbps)
Set 1 Raid Options: Configure HDD Set 1 to a Raid 0 Config - Stripe Performance(Requires Two HDDs)
Hard DriveSet2: Multimedia\Data: 1x(600GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (32MB Cache) (Model: WD6000HLHX)
Hard DriveSet3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Rayand Burn DVDs) (Slim Slot Loading Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - Not Available
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (SupportsHigh-Speed Cable / DSL /Network Connections)
Video Card(s): 2xSLI Quad SLI (NVIDIAGeForce GTX 690 4GB (Includes PhysX)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
ExtremeCooling: Digital Storm Aventum Cryo-TEC System for CPU and Liquid Cooling for Video Cards + Chipset H20
TubeColor: Orange Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)
Chassis Airflow: - NotAvailable
Internal Lighting: Internal ChassisLighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effectfor H20 Tubes)
Enhancements: - NotAvailable
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
CPU Boost: Stage 2: OverclockCPU 4.5GHzto 4.8GHz (RequiresPro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard)
Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do notoverclockmyvideo card(s)
Memory Boost: - No Thanks, Pleasedo notoverclock mymemory
OS Boost: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweakall of thenon-crucial serviceson the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) RecoveryTools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows7 CD) PriorityBuild: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 4 Year Limited Warranty DISC10

PROMOTION: 10% Discount of $1,140 Applied to Digital Storm Desktop 374273, Original Price $11,401 1

I had the corsair 2133mhz ram selected originally and when I talked to DS on the phone they said it was hardcore unstable with the OC 3960X processor. They basically insisted I change it to the 1600mhz DS certified ram. Also waiting on the 690gtx waterblocks.

They also talked me out of memory and GPU boost. Maybe they had issues with the handful of guinea pigs ahead of me and I got good advice?

Doing this post on a tablet so sorry for typos/formatting issues.

Landon

Edited by Err0xx - 19 May 2012 at 4:31pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hi Combatvetgsr, Nice system....

Sat, 19 May 2012 12:11:52 +0000

Author: FrankW
Subject: 17632
Posted: 19 May 2012 at 12:11pm

Hi Combatvetgsr,

Nice system. Have you researched using SSDs in RAID-0 configuration?

Frank

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Thx for the responses to my questions....

Sat, 19 May 2012 11:03:14 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 19 May 2012 at 11:03am

Thx for the responses to my questions. Sweet Combatvetgsr, glad to have another fellow DS member with one! Hope you as much excited with getting it as I am.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by...

Fri, 18 May 2012 18:52:25 +0000

Author: Combatvetgsr
Subject: 17632
Posted: 18 May 2012 at 6:52pm

Originally posted by shawnj11558

Hey guys, my Aventum is now in Phase 3
The excitement is killing me

A few questions:

1) How many Aventum order have gone thru before I placed mine? Am I like the 24th customer to order one, not including businesses or showcase versions. Reason I am asking is because I haven't seen any other members on here post pics or vids of theirs besides the photos that Alex posted. I will def post pics and vids of mine for sure!

2) I ordered the stage 2 overclock of 4.5-4.8GHz. Is it possible that they will overclock it higher than the 4.8GHz max if there is still more room to oc or is that the limit?

Thanks,

Shawn

Here is my order that I placed on May 4th (stage 4), so you're not alone . Only change will be the memory in my order. Review will be posted when it arrives

DSO-	Digital Storm Desktop
	Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Black OPS Aventum Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Not Available Processor: Intel Core i7 3930K 3.2GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Six-Core) Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme X79 (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s) System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1200W Corsair Pro Gold Series (CMPSU-1200AX) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 520 Series) Set 1 Raid Options: Configure HDD Set 1 to a Raid 0 Config - Stripe Performance (Requires Two HDDs) Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 520 Series) Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs) (Slim Slot Loading Edition) Optical Drive 2: - Not Available Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card(s): 2x SLI Quad SLI (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 4GB (Includes PhysX) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Digital Storm Aventum Cryo-TEC System for CPU and Liquid Cooling for Video Cards + Chipset H20 Tube Color: Black Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)

Edited by Combatvetgsr - 19 May 2012 at 12:43am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Great questions, the Aventum...

Fri, 18 May 2012 14:53:47 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 18 May 2012 at 2:53pm

Great questions, the Aventum is a new unit so it's not as popular, plus its a strictly high-end system so it naturally won't sell in large numbers, but, we've been very busy building them.

We won't push the OC higher only because we have to make sure the system is stable long-term, etc...

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hi Shawn, 1. I think you will...

Fri, 18 May 2012 04:41:38 +0000

Author: FrankW
Subject: 17632
Posted: 18 May 2012 at 4:41am

Hi Shawn,

1. I think you will find that you have one of the very first Aventums purchased by a customer. It is a very new case and I don't know of any other customers on the forum. There are others being built. Alex needs to answer this question.

2. Again my opinion. DS has to warrant these systems and I don't think you will see an OC above 4.8. These CPUs can go higher but that is for real over clockers who want ultimate performance even if it shortens the life of the processor. Some techies go up to 5.2 or so but that dŒsn't make sense to me. Particularly for a gaming machine where the extreme speed dŒsn't help that much.

Frank

Edited by FrankW - 18 May 2012 at 4:42am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hey guys, my Aventum is now in...

Thu, 17 May 2012 20:17:49 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 17 May 2012 at 8:17pm

Hey guys, my Aventum is now in Phase 3
The excitement is killing me

A few questions:

1) How many Aventum order have gone thru before I placed mine? Am I like the 24th customer to order one, not including businesses or showcase versions. Reason I am asking is because I haven't seen any other members on here post pics or vids of theirs besides the photos that Alex posted. I will def post pics and vids of mine for sure!

2) I ordered the stage 2 overclock of 4.5-4.8GHz. Is it possible that they will overclock it higher than the 4.8GHz max if there is still more room to oc or is that the limit?

Thanks,

Shawn

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : This beast needs a name.Really...

Thu, 10 May 2012 10:06:49 +0000

Author: Asangard
Subject: 17632
Posted: 10 May 2012 at 10:06am

This beast needs a name. Really looking forward to seeing the pics and video.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : I will def post pics and a video...

Thu, 10 May 2012 02:58:42 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 10 May 2012 at 2:58am

I will def post pics and a video once I get it!

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : We are all expecting pictures...

Wed, 09 May 2012 20:22:40 +0000

Author: josephlee
Subject: 17632
Posted: 09 May 2012 at 8:22pm

We are all expecting pictures shawn, fyi.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by shawnj11558Alex,...

Wed, 09 May 2012 17:32:51 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 09 May 2012 at 5:32pm

Originally posted by shawnj11558

Alex, I had spoke to John over the phone and he said it was not available for the Aventum. If possible can I get it added to my order?

Thanks.

Must be a misunderstanding, could you send me an email about this: Alex@digitalstormonline.com and attach that image you included and your order details? I'll forward it to John and the team so we can get you that.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by Alex Those...

Wed, 09 May 2012 16:22:01 +0000

Author: VelocityM3
Subject: 17632
Posted: 09 May 2012 at 4:22pm

Originally posted by Alex

Those were done with our LaserMark service.

Ah, very cool!

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Alex, I had spoke to John over...

Wed, 09 May 2012 15:38:22 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 09 May 2012 at 3:38pm

Alex, I had spoke to John over the phone and he said it was not available for the Aventum. If possible can I get it added to my order?

Thanks.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : You can order that with your...

Wed, 09 May 2012 15:36:19 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 09 May 2012 at 3:36pm

You can order that with your system and we do that for you.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Those were done with our LaserMark...

Wed, 09 May 2012 15:35:53 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 09 May 2012 at 3:35pm

Those were done with our LaserMark service.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : They might just be die cut stickers. ...

Wed, 09 May 2012 15:13:15 +0000

Author: VelocityM3
Subject: 17632
Posted: 09 May 2012 at 3:13pm

They might just be die cut stickers.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hehe Thx for the comments. Anyone...

Wed, 09 May 2012 14:48:48 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 09 May 2012 at 2:48pm

Hehe Thx for the comments. Anyone know how, if possible, I can get the EVGA and CORSAIR logo as shown below on my side panel? BTW this pic was from PAX East 2012.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! :

Wed, 09 May 2012 10:28:31 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 09 May 2012 at 10:28am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : I doubt NASA has rigs as nice...

Wed, 09 May 2012 07:49:39 +0000

Author: josephlee
Subject: 17632
Posted: 09 May 2012 at 7:49am

I doubt NASA has rigs as nice as this. Insane.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hi shawn, I just wanted to comment...

Wed, 09 May 2012 05:24:25 +0000

Author: FrankW
Subject: 17632
Posted: 09 May 2012 at 5:24am

Hi shawn,

I just wanted to comment about your power supply. You may not be able to add the fourth 680 GPU with the 1200w PS. With the 680's lower power requirements you might make it but there won't be a lot of over head. PS are not as efficient at full load or near full load.

Congrats on your system.

Frank

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : lol. what a build!and a discount...

Tue, 08 May 2012 23:28:14 +0000

Author: Sean_Casto
Subject: 17632
Posted: 08 May 2012 at 11:28pm

lol. what a build!

and a discount of $1,000.00+!

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Ok here is the final configuration...

Tue, 08 May 2012 20:54:59 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 08 May 2012 at 8:54pm

Ok here is the final configuration I went with. It has now begun the building phase! I filled out all the authorization and legal forms that DS requested to build a beast like this LOL.

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Black OPS Aventum
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Not Available
Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 3960X 3.3GHz (Six-Core) (Extreme Performance)
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme X79 (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 2133MHz Corsair Dominator GT with DHX (High-Performance)
Power Supply: 1200W Corsair Pro Gold Series (CMPSU-1200AX) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (480GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 520 Series)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs) (Slim Slot Loading Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - Not Available
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card(s): 3x SLI Triple (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 2GB (Includes PhysX)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: Digital Storm Aventum Cryo-TEC System for CPU and Liquid Cooling for Video Cards + Chipset
H20 Tube Color: Red Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)
Chassis Airflow: - Not Available
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect for H20 Tubes)
Enhancements: - Not Available
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
CPU Boost: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard)
Graphics Boost: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Memory Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: APC SurgeArrest Personal PER7 (7 Outlet) 120V Surge Protector
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Extra Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty
DISC10     PROMOTION: 10% Discount of $1,062 Applied to Digital Storm Desktop 372046, Original Price $10,620     1


Sub-Total:     $9,558.00
Tax:     $0.00
Shipping:     $428.26
Grand Total:     $9,986.26

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Umm, just read over your config....

Mon, 07 May 2012 15:19:30 +0000

Author: Lynn
Subject: 17632
Posted: 07 May 2012 at 3:19pm

Umm, just read over your config. If for some reason, you're like unhappy when you get it, can I have it? Just asking very politely!

Seriously awesome system. Grats!

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : We do have EVGA HydroCopper units...

Mon, 07 May 2012 13:37:55 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 07 May 2012 at 1:37pm

We do have EVGA HydroCopper units in stock, and we also have GTX 680's where we install full coverage blocks, it all depends on availability and inventory.

I just noticed that you said your room is very, very warm, the Cryo-TEC system will not work with your room then as it uses the room temperature to cool the hot side of the TEC modules which generate a opposite cold temperature that is pumped to the CPU.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Thx for confirming that Alex!...

Mon, 07 May 2012 02:58:24 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 07 May 2012 at 2:58am

Thx for confirming that Alex! Do you know if you have the evga tri sli waterblocks in stock as well as the asus x79 rampage waterblock for the chipset? I made some modifications to my build and will be posting it here later tonight.

Thanks.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : You're welcome!You can...

Sun, 06 May 2012 22:47:18 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 06 May 2012 at 10:47pm

You're welcome!

You can add it to the loop with no issue, you'll need probably additional tubing, connectors, and fluid.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Question: If I buy a 4th GTX...

Sun, 06 May 2012 20:44:34 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 06 May 2012 at 8:44pm

Question: If I buy a 4th GTX 480 Hydro Cooper to run quad sli liquid cooled, would I be able to hook it up to the dual loop LC system without any modifications?

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Thx for the info Alex!

Sat, 05 May 2012 16:04:51 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 05 May 2012 at 4:04pm

Thx for the info Alex!

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : The Aventum uses two loops....

Sat, 05 May 2012 15:32:40 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 05 May 2012 at 3:32pm

The Aventum uses two loops. One loop is dedicated to the processor, the other loop is for the video cards (and chipset if ordered).

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by shawnj11558......

Sat, 05 May 2012 14:40:02 +0000

Author: BF3Addict
Subject: 17632
Posted: 05 May 2012 at 2:40pm

Originally posted by shawnj11558

... I'm hoping I get the evga waterblock instead of the koolance one as the evga one has a glowy led on the waterblock that looks really nice ...

Since the GTX 6XX series has been released I've been scrubbing the 'net to get as much info as I can on the nVidia GK104/GK110 Kepler chips. Looks like GK110 based cards won't be out until Q4 this year or later, so from what I've seen I've chosen the evga GTX 680 Hydro Copper Classified (watercooled, 4GB VRAM) as my next card. Three of them, to be exact. The deciding factor was that cool evga LED. Have you seen the SLI bridges too? Ultra cool looking!

Check them out here:

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1510320

Edited by BF3Addict - 05 May 2012 at 2:44pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Another option is to put your...

Sat, 05 May 2012 13:46:28 +0000

Author: Asangard
Subject: 17632
Posted: 05 May 2012 at 1:46pm

Another option is to put your build on hold to wait for the GTX 690 water blocks.

If you install the 690s and water blocks yourself and something gŒs wrong related to your modifications, this will cause warranty issues with DS.

You are building a top of the line system. I wouldn't mess with warrenty issues. But I also understand not wanting to wait. Some times patience pays off in the long run.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Thx BF3Addict for the feedback...

Sat, 05 May 2012 13:42:45 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 05 May 2012 at 1:42pm

Thx BF3Addict for the feedback on the LC system. I hope it is 2 loops as I will def be going for LC GPUs from now on and hoping that switching them out is as easy as you describe. I'm hoping I get the evga waterblock instead of the koolance one as the evga one has a glowy led on the waterblock that looks really nice .

If anyone that has an Avantum already can chime in on how the LC system works, it would be great!

I will def post pics and a youtube video once I get it. Hopefully within a month or so lol.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by...

Sat, 05 May 2012 13:20:46 +0000

Author: BF3Addict
Subject: 17632
Posted: 05 May 2012 at 1:20pm

Originally posted by shawnj11558

Yea, I decided to go with 3x680s LC instead of the 2 690s. I will prob do a upgrade few months down the road once the 690s become LC. If I get 3 loops for the 3 680s would it be a problem changing those out for the 2 690s LC? Would I be able to do that myself? ...

Generally speaking, most LC systems use either one or two loops. If it's one loop then you have a reservoir, pump, and heat exchanger (radiator) handling the cooling for the CPU/GPU and possibly the mobo chipset. If it's two loops then the GPU is split off with an additional rad, res and pump. I know the Aventum is highly customizable, but even with that beast it seems unlikely to sport four separate loops with all that associated hardware.

I'm betting there are two loops in the Aventum (I'm sure Alex will straighten me out if I'm wrong). In that case it's relatively easy to go from tri-SLI (three cards) to quad-SLI (two cards). If DS uses quick disconnect fittings at card 1 inlet and card 3 outlet, then it's even easier. Spillage with the quick disconnects is minimal if not nonexistent. It's just like replacing an air cooled card except you have the extra steps of refilling the loop and verifying the proper flow.

If it's a single loop everything I said above still applies.

Pics and a YouTube video! I demand it!!

Edited by BF3Addict - 05 May 2012 at 1:30pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hi Shawn, 80 degrees may be to...

Sat, 05 May 2012 12:43:28 +0000

Author: FrankW
Subject: 17632
Posted: 05 May 2012 at 12:43pm

Hi Shawn,

80 degrees may be to high to run LC but 70 degrees is fine.

Frank

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : In regards to the Aventum, it's...

Sat, 05 May 2012 11:32:02 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 05 May 2012 at 11:32am

In regards to the Aventum, it's a ultra high-end chassis exclusively for exotic liquid cooling or our Cryo-TEC.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hmm, I guess I would say the room...

Sat, 05 May 2012 10:04:12 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 05 May 2012 at 10:04am

Hmm, I guess I would say the room gets to 80 deg during summer. The room has no windows but I run a portable AC that brings it down to 70 deg or so.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hi shawn, How warm does the computer...

Sat, 05 May 2012 09:54:03 +0000

Author: FrankW
Subject: 17632
Posted: 05 May 2012 at 9:54am

Hi shawn,

How warm dŒs the computer room get during the summer months?

Frank

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Yea, I decided to go with 3x680s...

Sat, 05 May 2012 09:15:22 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 05 May 2012 at 9:15am

Yea, I decided to go with 3x680s LC instead of the 2 690s. I will prob do a upgrade few months down the road once the 690s become LC. If I get 3 loops for the 3 680s would it be a problem changing those out for the 2 690s LC? Would I be able to do that myself? Regarding the OS Boost I will take your word for it and try to see if they can change it, tho I will be importing my data from my old ssd into this one. I saw Alex post in my topic earlier and didn't seem to have any objection to air cooling but I really want LC GPUs so that convinced me.

Edited by shawnj11558 - 05 May 2012 at 9:19am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : I think Alex said that the Aventum...

Sat, 05 May 2012 09:05:38 +0000

Author: FrankW
Subject: 17632
Posted: 05 May 2012 at 9:05am

I think Alex said that the Aventum was not available with air cooling, LC only. Did DS say they could give you Air cooling. If they did that might be a mistake. Maybe Alex will let us know.

I don't think I would want two 680s (One from each 690) pumping their heat into the case. Especially two that are going to be OC. If it was my system I would not OC the two 690s with their mechanical design and air cooled.

You may regret getting the OS boost. They delete or turn off things that you won't use in the OS. The problem is they don't know what you personally will want to use. I would get the system and set it up with the software you want and then tweak the OS. If they turn off something you want to use it might be hard to figure out how to get it back.

I note that you have a "very, very warm room" for the computer. Your GPUs will be cooled by the air in the room and if it is too warm the GPUs will run hot. You can't cool GPUs with very, very warm air.

That will be a killer system after the problems are worked out.

Frank

Edited by FrankW - 05 May 2012 at 9:07am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by shawnj11558Hehe...

Fri, 04 May 2012 21:30:12 +0000

Author: BF3Addict
Subject: 17632
Posted: 04 May 2012 at 9:30pm

Originally posted by shawnj11558

Hehe . Looks like i have to modify my build as the liquid cooling for the gtx 690 isn't out yet. Got an email from John saying that it would take a month to get it in.

Due to the way heat exhausts from both ends of the GTX 690, I would think twice about going air cooled with those cards. A more detailed discussion of the card can be found here: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=17569.

I think watercooling is the way to go with dual GPU cards. The extra heat they dump into the case could play H-E-double hockey sticks with the mobo chips and RAM. I'm under the impression that the Aventum case was designed explicitly for watercooling, so it makes me wonder just how effective it is for cycling air. The best air-cooled case is the HAF X.

I know DS dŒs lots of testing to make sure your specific configuration is reliable, but I'd be surprised if they've done an Aventum quad GPU setup like yours. It's just too new. I'm guessing your unit would be the pathfinder.

If you have your heart set on the quad GPU system (it looks awesome BTW ), I'd consider waiting until the waterblocks are available.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : I'm using the Dell 30"...

Fri, 04 May 2012 18:51:04 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 04 May 2012 at 6:51pm

I'm using the Dell 30" WFP, 27" Samsung SyncMaster SA950 3D, and Dell 24"

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : what monitors are you using by...

Fri, 04 May 2012 18:13:23 +0000

Author: cwmd
Subject: 17632
Posted: 04 May 2012 at 6:13pm

what monitors are you using by the way at 2560x1600? I want one LOL

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hehe . Looks like i have to...

Fri, 04 May 2012 16:53:20 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 04 May 2012 at 4:53pm

Hehe . Looks like i have to modify my build as the liquid cooling for the gtx 690 isn't out yet. Got an email from John saying that it would take a month to get it in.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Originally posted by VelocityM3 ...

Fri, 04 May 2012 10:03:22 +0000

Author: criTalon
Subject: 17632
Posted: 04 May 2012 at 10:03am

Originally posted by VelocityM3

Totally agree...

Edited by criTalon - 04 May 2012 at 10:03am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! :

Fri, 04 May 2012 10:01:33 +0000

Author: josephlee
Subject: 17632
Posted: 04 May 2012 at 10:01am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! :

Fri, 04 May 2012 09:56:55 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 04 May 2012 at 9:56am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! :

Fri, 04 May 2012 08:37:32 +0000

Author: VelocityM3
Subject: 17632
Posted: 04 May 2012 at 8:37am

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! :

Thu, 03 May 2012 20:52:33 +0000

Author: Alex
Subject: 17632
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 8:52pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Cool. Looking forward to the...

Thu, 03 May 2012 20:47:24 +0000

Author: Asangard
Subject: 17632
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 8:47pm

Cool. Looking forward to the pixs.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : I'll def post some pics once...

Thu, 03 May 2012 20:39:48 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 8:39pm

I'll def post some pics once I get it :D

Yea, I have a 1TB Hard Drive lying around so I'm gonna pop that in when I get the rig.

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Sweet. Would really like...

Thu, 03 May 2012 19:36:56 +0000

Author: Asangard
Subject: 17632
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 7:36pm

Sweet. Would really like to see pixs when you get it.

Something to consider - Add a high capacity HDD for data. It will save wear and tear on your SSD and those CAD files will get quite large depending on how much 3D modeling you do.

Edited by Asangard - 03 May 2012 at 8:46pm

Just purchased an Aventum Beast! : Hey all, I just purchased my...

Thu, 03 May 2012 19:24:25 +0000

Author: shawnj11558
Subject: 17632
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 7:24pm

Hey all,

I just purchased my new Aventum PC! I am really excited. I went all out on this one and cant wait to use it. Feel free to leave any comments/feedback on it. BTW this will be my 2nd rig that I have purchased from DS, my first one was about 3 years ago and it still is going pretty good.

Budget:
$10,000

Expectations:
Bleeding-edge technology and breaking benchmark records

Usage:
CAD designing (3D Modeling), high-res gaming at 2560x1600, 3 HD monitors at same time, rendering videos, watching blu-ray 3D

Special Needs:
Very Very warm room, need maximum cooling possible.

Saved Ticket #: [Please Type Here]

Specifications:
System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Black OPS Aventum
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Not Available
Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 3960X 3.3GHz (Six-Core) (Extreme
Performance)
Motherboard: EVGA X79 FTW (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)

System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series
(Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1200W Corsair Pro Gold Series (CMPSU-1200AX) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI
Compatible)
Expansion Bay: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (480GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model:
520 Series)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs) (Slim
Slot Loading Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - Not Available
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL /
Network Connections)
Video Card(s): 2x SLI Quad SLI (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 4GB (Includes PhysX)

Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: Digital Storm Aventum Cryo-TEC System for CPU and Liquid
Cooling for Video Cards + Chipset
H20 Tube Color: Red Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)

Chassis Airflow: - Not Available
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect
for H20 Tubes)
Enhancements: - Not Available
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: Noise Suppression Package Stage 1 (Optimized Airflow & Fan
Speeds Only)
LaserMark: Digital Storm LaserMark Service - Text (Plexiglass Acrylic Window)

CPU Boost: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires
Pro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard)
Graphics Boost: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with
complete stability
Memory Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
OS Boost: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the
operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: APC SurgeArrest Personal PER7 (7 Outlet) 120V Surge Protector

Speakers: Corsair Vengeance 1100 Communication Headset (Model CA-9011113-WW)

Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Extra Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is
Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

Sub-Total: $9,800.00
Tax: $0.00
S&H: Ground $227.14
Grand Total: $10,027.14

Edited by shawnj11558 - 03 May 2012 at 7:25pm